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[GuppyDude]

Went to look up hybrids in the fish index and found that there was no hybrids tab

 

[CFC]

Thats because hybrids are not real species so cannot have an entry in the index.
They are also frowned upon by most fish keepers so anything to do with them must be contained within the hybrids forum only where only the few that do like them have to read them.

 

[vancouver]

Why not start a hybrid fish index in the hybrid section.. I'm sure some of the hybrid forum-goers wouldn't hesitate to write about some of the fish they like..

Keeping it in the hybrid section would help to keep the hybrid haters away.

 

[OohFeeshy]

I don't think its a particularly good idea, hybrids can be anything and vary wildly, plus all the reasons cfc said...

 

[GuppyDude]

don't think its a particularly good idea, hybrids can be anything and vary wildly, plus all the reasons cfc said...

...and this is why they must be documented. Weather you like them or not they are becoming more and more popular in lfs around the world. If not included in the index, at the very least pinn and article on them in the forum. A newbie would not know what fish are hybrids or not, and i think as an informational forum we are obligated to include information on all types of tropical fish including hybrids. I dont think this is a matter of personal opinion, but a matter of provideing as much information on tropical fish as possible. This is the tropical fish forum, and yet you include salt water fish in your index but fail to include hybrids (who are indeed trpoical.) It just doesn't make sense; i understand that many people who keep tropicals keep saltwater but considering that about a quarter of lfs stock is are hybrids or mods of some sort, it is very likely that alot of our members have atleats one or two.

 

[andywg]

I would severely doubt that a quarter of all fish stocked by lfs are hybrids. Furthermore, I can guarentee that only one of my fish is likely to be a hybrid, and that is the sailfin plec due to the fact that a number of species hybridise in the wild, and not the sort of hybrid being talked about above. Most of the members on here I talk to are very unlikely to house a hybrid as well. I would love to know on what evidential basis you are making the above claims.

And why wouoldn't we include marine fish in a tropical fish forum? I'm pretty sure all the marine fish listed have a temp range of 20-26 degrees C, putting them as tropical (unless someone has recently added a profile for cod?). Remember, tropical only relates to temperature.

 

[vancouver]

It just comes down to opinions... that's why people that don't like hybrids don't have to look at the forum.

There's your reason to keep it on the hybrid forum only.

Keep the hybrid people happy, keep the hybrid haters happy.

 

[pica_nuttalli]

that still doesn't mean that you can accurately detail what sorts of traits to expect from a hybrid.

the most common hybrids are of unknown and unpredictable parentage. the few hybrids that we do know 100% of the original species can still pick and choose which genes to pick from each parent. think of it like this: if you cross a yorkshire terrier with a wolf, you'll probably get a wide range of results in the puppies.

while certain elements are somewhat predictable, especially for "parrots" and "flowerhorns" in that they grow large and temperamental, there are too many other variables to account for before a proper profile can be constructed.

what we really need is a pinned topic in hybrids detailing recommended tank sizes and likelihood of sterility for a selection of common hybrids.

 

[GuppyDude]

Yes i understand that some genes are basically picked at random from between the 2 parents, and that there will be differances among the fry. Not only this, the number of possible hybrids can be nearly unlimited. Im just saying like for the most common hybrids such as the blood parrot and flower horn, there should be an index of information on them somwhere. They have recommended tank sizes, and varying temperments just like every other fish, and this will affect how they should be kept.

 

[pica_nuttalli]

its just that giving them a position in an official index confers a sort of legitimacy that most of our (vocal) members don't believe they deserve. if you've ever seen a post in hybrids that had to be moved there from one of the Cichlids, then you'll know what i mean.

while i generally hate the comparison of hybridization with cross-breeding in dogs, this is one case where there is a strong similarity. TFF doesn't include hybrids in the fish index for the same reason that the AKC doesn't recognize labradoodles and peekapoos: the overall view is that these are inappropriate crosses which ultimately serve to dilute the genepool and can easily result in the expression of undesirable, potentially endangering traits.

 

[vancouver]

That's why it should be put as a sticky in the hybrid forum.. I think even basic info about parrot cichlids would benefit a lot of people, as they seem to be the most popular hybrid people ask questions about there.. Even if it's not considered an idex or whatever, just basic info pinned about common hybrids.

 

[OohFeeshy]

If you just want a sticky, why are you sayin there 'should' be one? None of the mods are going to write you one, do it yourself if you want it and stick it in the 'Pin Me!' thread...

 

[vancouver]

i never said there should be one. i just thought it might be a good idea, and i never said i would write everything myself, as obviously i dont know everything

i said IF there is one, it should be posted in the forum.