Im A Novice That Been Misled!

well cichlids can be kept in community tank mate

the Apistogramma species, Kribensis, German Blue Rams, Keyholes are community fishl they can be a bit territorial but they are community.

I have 2 german blue rams in my 20gallon tank (community) all fine no problems at all :good:
 
no i havent if this helps its a AQUA VISTA 830 AQUARIUM TANK.man im such a plonker! you know what when i first bought it i thought i could set it up for marine fish with ease,until some spotty kid shot me down in flames and the kids had the hump cos they thought i was gonna buy them "nemo"!

i love rams and tetras,what do you thinks best bagu with what i got.maybe i can get rid of some,shame really liked the elliot. i love the long finned bolivian ram.
 
i know ive gone into this a bit blind, all the advice ive been given is from some old boys i know. what threw me out was i would read books on tropical fish and when i read about some cichlids it would say they are community fish so i thought that ANYTHING community not species only could be mixed.how wrong was i! but to be fair in all the books ive read they do not say DO NOT put cichlids with other smaller fish . im so pi@@ed off!

Don't be, the trouble with cichlids (and the thing i love about them) is that everyone is different, putting 10 of the same species in a fish tank is a lot like putting 10 silly people into the big brother house, you just don't know what could happen, some will act aggressive some will be fine with one or two and then take a dislike to others, You just don't know what temperament the individual fish you buy will have until they start to get used to their new surroundings, then it is usually too late to return them to the store.

This is where books don't help, yes the tank requirements and setup will be but any information on temperaments or how they are with other fish is greatly generalised as the simple fact is that each one will react differently
 
the thing is ive never seen the elliot act aggresively it just swims about and goes in the caves and minds it own.i watch the tank a lot which i really enjoy.the fish murderer seems to strike late at night. when ive gone to bed.
 
the thing is ive never seen the elliot act aggresively it just swims about and goes in the caves and minds it own.i watch the tank a lot which i really enjoy.the fish murderer seems to strike late at night. when ive gone to bed.

tbh it is the sensitive species that you are losing (for example it is suggested that neons shouldn't be added to a tank until it is around 6 months mature) and therefore the elliotti and crab are being wrongfully blamed, Poor water stats could easily be the cause for the deaths of the minnows and neons whereas larger hardier fish can ride through it seemingly unscathed but then show effects later on in life. You really need to get the water tested asap to confirm whether this is at fault, which IMO could well be the cause
 
Are you sure they're Flying Fox and not either True SAEs or False SAEs ??

My dominant (now only) flying fox terrorised the others he lived with, and even now occassionally starts relentlessly chasing my RTB shark who is terrified of it, I have also experienced this at work where we have had to seperate the larger flying foxs


Yeah Def Flying Foxes, don't appear in the shops very often and when they did I would buy in groups of 4 or more.
 
now that really surprises me cos i was told neons are hardy and could go in straight away.mind you the five small neons i bought two weeks ago vanished.
 
just noticed the elliot come out of his hole looking purple and gilld working overtime.he is usually a milky grey! oh s@$£! :no:
 
neons need a mature tank =|

dont panic mate

do a water change, use declor ermmmm

i dont know whats wrong, and its upsetting me how i cant help you :(
 
all you can do at the moment is water changes, and this will help, thats if the water is indeed the culprit which at the moment seems increasingly likely, obviously enough crabs are carnivorous creatures and would have a feast eating lots of your fish, but i very much doubt it could catch them, especially the nippy little fish you have been loosing.
if the cichlid is breathing heavily its normally a sign of a lack of oxygen or could be something in the water irritating it i.e. ammonia and nitrite. if you can do a water change that should help and if possible turn your filter outlet so it is disturbing the surface of the water.
have you been dechlorinating the water when you do water changes? if not the helpful bacteria in your filter will be getting killed off everytime you add water, which in turn will be leading to increasing ammonia and nitrite levels.
if you can and dont mind doing id re-home the larger of the fish, just for the fact they will be the biggest waste producers and would ease off the pressure on the filter.
like mentioned we really need your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels and if nothing else we can eliminate it.

David
 
i put in dechlorinator ,nutrafin cycle and waste control.
 
IMO you need to rethink your stocking. Many of the fish you have in twos and threes prefer to be in a shoal of at least six, so choose which ones you REALLY like, then just have a larger shoal of your faves. I'd return the Neons if possible. A properly matured tank can take anywhere from 4-6 months to achieve. I'd return the crab, too, as it'll have any fish that get too near it.
 

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