If it ain’t an canister it won’t work

[Deleted member 155206]

am I big fan of the Juwel tanks and there filters i believe they have the best internal filters out there that can match or beat any canister filtration I just want to know if u agree with the title or anybody has had a good experience with any other internal filters or hob I believe they are not getting enough credit that they deserve for some reason it’s canister or nothing?

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

I hope at that price it changes the water, feeds the fish, cooks me dinner and takes out the trash.

There are many many filtration options that work just fine. Sponge filters, canisters, HOB, fluidized bed, sumps, and maybe the best of all, undergravel filter. It all depends on the application and use.
I'm certain there is no be all end all filter that is head and shoulders above anything else.

 

[Deleted member 155206]

I hope at that price it changes the water, feeds the fish, cooks me dinner and takes out the trash.

There are many many filtration options that work just fine. Sponge filters, canisters, HOB, fluidized bed, sumps, and maybe the best of all, undergravel filter. It all depends on the application and use.
I'm certain there is no be all end all filter that is head and shoulders above anything else.

not only that it makes me breakfast in the morning. Agree percent just fed up with the narrative pushing towards canister

 

[anewbie]

I think the entire debate is a pointless of internet crappy responses. First you have to define best and in context of what critters you are keeping. After all your defn of best for a parrot might fail miserably for a baby.

Then you have to evaluate how to determine what filtration method is actually achieving the best.

Once all that is done you have to spend at least 20 years testing with correct methodology to determine what is best. After all that you can start over with whatever new state of the art filtration is available. In any event i can assure you whatever results you obtain it is unlikely that Juwel's built in filtration will be best or even 2nd or 3rd best.

Finally while you are doing all that i think i will keep on dreaming I am using the filtration at the Baltimore aquarium while actually using the little black sponge in the back corner.

 

[Magnum Man]

my forum name, was from canister filters... but that was 30 years ago... it started with HOT filters, ( hang on tank, canisters ) but I much prefer hoseless hang on back filters... 30 years ago, I began to make the switch, got out of tanks for 25 years... fast forward to today, I run almost all Tidal filters most 75's, or 55's if space is a problem for the big brother... and I run 2 filters per tank, and I have more than a dozen tanks

 

[Gertrudae]

Hold my beer ... I have ~1000 l in 15 planted tanks plus some temporarily used quarantine and breeding tanks, and only one of them with a sponge filter. And even that one would do fine without a filter. Some tanks have stream pumps for the fish that like water movement others have no flow at all...

There are many ways to make the fish, you and the manufacturer of filtersystems happy or not ;-)

 

[Deleted member 155206]

I think the entire debate is a pointless of internet crappy responses. First you have to define best and in context of what critters you are keeping. After all your defn of best for a parrot might fail miserably for a baby.

Then you have to evaluate how to determine what filtration method is actually achieving the best.

Once all that is done you have to spend at least 20 years testing with correct methodology to determine what is best. After all that you can start over with whatever new state of the art filtration is available. In any event i can assure you whatever results you obtain it is unlikely that Juwel's built in filtration will be best or even 2nd or 3rd best.

Finally while you are doing all that i think i will keep on dreaming I am using the filtration at the Baltimore aquarium while actually using the little black sponge in the back corner.

 

[Deleted member 155206]

You can frame it as ‘dreaming’ if you want, but the discussion wasn’t about fantasy setups. It was a straightforward comparison between internal and external filtration not a debate and why the canister is the only way If you want to talk about the actual mechanics instead of sarcasm, I’m here for that and i like to see your 20 years of study of the juwel filtration to come up with that conclusion

 

[GaryE]

I don't like systems with built in filtration. Eventually, that filter fails. An Aquaclear HOB runs for 15 to 20 years if well maintained. When you're 20, that sounds like forever, but a tank is generally good for 30. And the Aquaclear is the longevity champion. If the filter fails at 5, then built in is bad.
I'm assuming from others the Juwel is built in.
US brands like Marineland have died at under ten, way under ten, and my no name Chinese ones are making 12-15 before failure. I run canisters in some applications, HOBS in others, sponges and corner box filters, some homemade in many, and old fashioned undergravels in some. I have a fishroom with many tanks.

I'm a cheapskate who tends to improvise a lot.

Which filters I use depends on the needs of the fish. A powerful canister isn't good for fish evolved for slow water, but a fish from the edges of a rapids isn't going to thrive with a box filter. An undergravel isn't good for corys, and so on. The word 'fish' is useless for an aquarist, and you have to think species by species. The word 'filter' can be just as useless as they aren't all designed to work the same way or do the same thing.

 

[Essjay]

Juwel filters aren't exactly built in. They are attached to the tank walls with 8 silicone blobs. The filters are more or less square in cross section and are fit into a corner with 4 blobs on each of 2 sides. It is quite easy to remove the filter - I removed it from my old Rio 125. It just takes a bit of sawing with a flexible blade, taking care not to damage the tank's corner sealant. I removed the filter from the Rio as the pump was very noisy and everything I tried failed to make it quieter.
Then I replaced the tank as the bracer bar became detached from the back wall and the glass started to bow.

 

[Deleted member 155206]

I don't like systems with built in filtration. Eventually, that filter fails. An Aquaclear HOB runs for 15 to 20 years if well maintained. When you're 20, that sounds like forever, but a tank is generally good for 30. And the Aquaclear is the longevity champion. If the filter fails at 5, then built in is bad.
I'm assuming from others the Juwel is built in.
US brands like Marineland have died at under ten, way under ten, and my no name Chinese ones are making 12-15 before failure. I run canisters in some applications, HOBS in others, sponges and corner box filters, some homemade in many, and old fashioned undergravels in some. I have a fishroom with many tanks.

I'm a cheapskate who tends to improvise a lot.

Which filters I use depends on the needs of the fish. A powerful canister isn't good for fish evolved for slow water, but a fish from the edges of a rapids isn't going to thrive with a box filter. An undergravel isn't good for corys, and so on. The word 'fish' is useless for an aquarist, and you have to think species by species. The word 'filter' can be just as useless as they aren't all designed to work the same way or do the same thing.

Hi there thx for reply Juwel filters are stuck on by silicone pads easy removed it is only the box is stuck on you can upgrade or downgrade the system as u wish from 79 gph to 396 gph room for a heater as well the biggest capacity is just over 2 gallons of filtration easily modified and yes am a cheapskate to but I buy expensive tanks like the Juwel so I don’t by again I have a Juwel lido 200 since 2012 with the t5 tubes never bought the led version as it work just fine ok need to replace once a while no leaks and using the original pump

 

[GaryE]

The ability to remove the pump is great. I've learned over the years that models come and go, and generally when the part does fail, it's no longer available.
But it looks good.

 

[Deleted member 155206]

Juwel filters aren't exactly built in. They are attached to the tank walls with 8 silicone blobs. The filters are more or less square in cross section and are fit into a corner with 4 blobs on each of 2 sides. It is quite easy to remove the filter - I removed it from my old Rio 125. It just takes a bit of sawing with a flexible blade, taking care not to damage the tank's corner sealant. I removed the filter from the Rio as the pump was very noisy and everything I tried failed to make it quieter.
Then I replaced the tank as the bracer bar became detached from the back wall and the glass started to bow.

Bloody hell you really had a bad experience very strange for a tank to bow that’s how they have the top and bottom supports did u put some levelling mats on top of the cabinet before u put the tank on top ?

 

[Deleted member 155206]

The ability to remove the pump is great. I've learned over the years that models come and go, and generally when the part does fail, it's no longer available.
But it looks good.

Thx for reply it almost 20 years old those thing the haven’t changed the filter what they do is upgrade there heaters over time there pumps for more efficiency and there impellers so if anyone of those fail it slot back in to original filter and the added bonus the part you bought is better than the original

 

[Essjay]

I bought my Rio in 2006 and set it up following the instructions by Juwel. In 2013 noticed that the lid flaps no longer met the trim in the middle of the front and back. Looking in the tank, the bracer bar which was attached to the trim and glass with silicone had pulled away at the back. I used it as an excuse to get a bigger tank.

A few years ago there was a thread by someone else who had the same problem - this time with photos which showed the same as happened to my tank. See the photos in posts #5, #47 and #85 by two different members.

Big problems in Rio land

Im absolutely gutted!!!!(more pi@@d off atm if im honest) Sitting on the sofa this morning with a nice cup of tea enjoying the fact i didnt have to go to work. I looked over at the Rio 450 and noticed the top front trim didnt quite look right so i walked over to take a closer look and found...

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