I Think I Have It....

[Gankutsuou]

So Monday my 40 will be purchased.....


here's my plan so far

A: Go to local fish store. See if they will purchase my Dragon goby and pleco. If not, then I'll deal with that somehow else.

B: Get from them an Albino Senegal Bichir and a Peacock eel. Both Juvy. I'll let them in my brothers 10 G for the time.

C: Go back out and actually buy the tank/rocks/what not. Filter too.
D: Come back home, get the tank set up, and get all these current fish so as to clone the tank
E: wait a week
F: Put my filter back on my 10 g and let these guys back in the 10, except the False flying fox and dragon goby (if i still have him). Put the senegal and Peacock eel in. Get two giant green corries and put them in. (there are only two of them, so they will have to do.), and then get 2 juvy angels.

How does that sound?
Comments? anything different I should do? Suggustions? Lemme hear em!

 

[jayjay]

Don't get the eel or bichir and put them in the 10g, they wouldn't like it. Just leave it until you have teh tank all setup ready.

 

[Gankutsuou]

Jay Jay, they're currently both in 16 gallons with many more fish. and they're juvy. like, 4 inches, without hiding tubes ect. I imagine for a week they can deal with a 10 g. Seriously, these are very rare for my LFS and will be bought post haste. Would you suggust I toss them in the 40 g almost immediatly instead?

 

[Tommy Gunnz]

I wouldnt just put them in a cloned tank right away. I have two peacock eels in a tank right now that I cloned as soon as I found out that the eels were going to get bigger than the LFS said. They were miserable and I almost lost them. I would let the cloned tank cycle for a while longer. I had them in a 10 gallon tank and bought a 40 gallon tank. I took all the water and put it into the 40 gallon along with the substrate and ran two filters, the new one for the 40 gallon and the 10 gallons HOB. The only things that really thrived were the apple snail babies I was trying to get rid of.

I would think that the eels can deal with the 10 gallon for a week or two. The best point you make is that right now they are in a wide open tank with tons of other fish at a LFS so you are at least going to 'upgrade' their life sooner or later. Besides, you can get away with a smaller tank for a juvy fish since it isnt going to add its entire potential bioload until it is adult and of course, it wont have a hard time swimming since it is smaller. (Not that this is good advice to do on a regular basis I am sure but a few exceptions never hurts)

Just do your best for the new fish. It sounds like you know what you are doing and if these fish werent such a rare find for you, I am sure you would wait anyways. Dont be bullied by people who read some of the hobby's rules and cannot bend a bit. (No offense to anyone, but I know what it is like to find a great opportunity and have to jump on it or lose it)

For all of you nay-sayers, dont be too hard on us!

 

[Gankutsuou]

Thanks a lot on the back up man.

By the way, what do you think on my stocking? Any suggustions on what else should or could go with them?
Either way i'm going sand substrate, But i'm wondering....

Should I get some salt in? (1 TBSP per 10 Gallon) For the dragon goby if I cant get rid of him? Everyone else I think is all right with that, and then instead of the Angels/cories, I'd get a freshwater flounder and let the dragon goby stay. I mean, That's THE best I can do for it if I can';t get it back into a LFS....

 

[Tommy Gunnz]

well, I am NOT the expert here, but I understand your plight and I have peacock eels so I thought I would chime in.

My opinion on salt is somewhat different I guess. I have heard a million times that aquarium salt is an awesome preventative medicine for ich. I have also heard a million times that salt is not a preventative medicine and should only be used when Ich is present. However, more often than not, I have heard that salt should be used sparringly if at all, and especially NOT on scaleless fish.

So, the story goes that I bought my first tank because I wanted to put something in one corner of my living room and I thought a plant was too boring. Not knowing anything about the hobby, I went to the LFS with my kids and bought 5 glass fish and 4 clown loaches. The glass fish were painted and I got an Ich outbreak within a week. I turned up the heater and put a bunch of salt in the tank and medicated with those dissolving tabs and the only thing I solved was dying my airhoses blue from the tabs and nearly killing my loaches with the salt.

The point is, I know for sure that you are going to make life miserable for your eels if you put salt in your tank and I wouldnt use it unless you have to, which from what I hear is hardly ever HAVE to use it. I have even had one mediator from another web site state that salt with decrease the life span of a fish. That mediator is supposedly a marine biologist. I say supposedly because of course, It could be mickey mouse for all I know on the internet.

The only other input I could say is that in a recent magazine, I read that flounders and other flat fish typically have the same requirements as a stingray would need, a tank with a large 'footprint', meaning alot of area on the bottom and not so much tall.

Sorry for rambling a bit, but I thought maybe this story will generate some more input from others who may know more than I do.

 

[Gankutsuou]

Tis okay, but the point of Salt is for the Dragon Goby (if i have to keep him), and for the flounder, as both really like it. Dragon Gobies are brackish, and kinda need it or end up with health probs usually.

Mine has been healthy for a month 1/2 without salt, but i think i should at least get it a little....

But that stops me from getting angels and cories.

Would you perfer Angels and corries, and giving the goby no salt?
Or would you perfer getting him some salt, and getting a flounder?

 

[Loko17]

I think it would be better to keep the goby and get a flounder and then find other brackish fish that can go with them. like some sort of brackish puffer if all can get along.

 

[Gankutsuou]

When you find me a non agressive puffer suited to be with a dragon gobythat i can get....


I'll find you a naturally flying squirrle in my back yard....

 

[OohFeeshy]

Puffer? GSP perhaps, maybe ceylons...

I want that squirrel by Monday.

 

[mr.dark-saint]

Gankutsuou, I would do a few thing differnt than you listed.

*I would call instead of take the fish in. Wasted trip? Give you a really, really, really bad price.
*Skip this getting the fish first but I would ask if they'll hold them. If not the'll get more.
* Get the tank and set it up (by my count would be the second step) .
*I'd cycle the tank without fish (some liquid cycle stuff of your choosing) but seeding the new tank is a good idea.
*Waiting is also good but it'll gnaw at you.
*After the numbers check out then get some fish but start light.

Or.

*Get the new tank, seed it and cycle the tank with the fish you want to put in to the 10 gallon.

 

[Gankutsuou]

Actually it dawned on me yesterday to call them first. Unfortunatly they are closed sunday, so i'll do that when they open on monday.

Anyways, Even better news, I'm getting a 40 long, at 3'. Meaning it will be suitable for these guys

I think if they wont even take my normal Pleco and dragon goby for trade in value, I'll just let them have 'em.... I mean, At least they might get a better home, and my dragon goby will be the biggest brute out of em all. Maybe actually show them that "hey, this fish can get bigger "

Edit: Oh yesh, and feeshy, I said puffers in my area that I could get. I don;t think i've seen a GSP around.

And also, Peacock Eels and Albino bichirs are like, THE rarest things around here to find. Eels period are hard to find. This is the first peacock eel I have seen in... say.... after looking at... 3 petco, 1 petsmart, 3 LFS, and so on.