I Need Help Identifying!

[kribensis12]

^ im confused, so do i have 2 immature males?

 

[helterskelter]

And i though u know how to sex them

 

[kribensis12]

^ i do, but they dont show a gonopudum ( spelling), but i saw the pictures of a male and a female, and mine show the coloring of the male, but they show no gonopudum( spelling, again).

 

[helterskelter]

like i said before females do show the red as well it's just not as good as the male.

I just could not find a pic of a red tail female

 

[kribensis12]

^okay, just checking!