How Long Does Ich Live

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ive been treating ich in my 2 29 gal tanks. i thought it was gone but came back but not as bad. anyway i thought the easiest way to get rid of it once and for all was to treat all the fish in a seperat tank and leave the the tank with out fish. i know this will cause it to have to cycle again but it will be cheaper on meds. so i was wondering how long it will take for the ich in the main tank to die with out fish in it.
 
Ich is always present in aquaria. The only time they aqre noticeable is when fish have week immune systems and succumb to the ich. If you keep treating the tank, most of the ich released from the cysts on the fish will die. The only real way to protect against ich is to make sure the fish are not stressed out and that the water is kept relatively clean.
 
i disagree. ich can only live if they have a host to live off of. if the host is healthy and able to ward off the ich the ich will die. its a parasite and thus must have a host to coexist with. not host no parasite. i just dont know how long it is till they die.
 
I believe the answer to your question is 14-16 days to ensure all the cysts have perished. I think there is some variation depending on the temperature of the water, as this can speed up the life cycle. The active form of the parasite can only last a few days without a host.

I also do not believe that every tank has ich. The only way would be if the fish were latent carriers, but I find it hard to believe that they all are latent carriers. Or even that every tank has a latent carrier. When I started out with fish I had a tank for four years that was fairly overstocked with fish that belonged in a bigger tank, these fish should have gotten ich but not once in four years did I have it. I had a few die from dropsy but no ich.

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Arguably, ich is present in aquaria which house fish. It isn't present in a tank of water. Without the host, the parasite will die.
If you up the temperature - say to 28C this increases the lifecycle speed of the parasite. I've read that it can only survive around 24 hours without a host - the cysts should hatch within 48 hours at this temp, so I'd say 4 days to be on the safe side. I need to point out that i've never tried this though.
 
The myth that ich is present in all aquaria is just that, a myth. There is absoultely no scientific data anywhere to support the statement it does. It has the ability to infest at a low rate on a particuliarly resistive host (which would have to go unnoticed by the keeper), but cannot survive without hosts.

Dr Burgess (writer for PFK and co-author of A to Z of Tropical Fish Diseases and Health Problems) dismisses the myth of ever present ich as "rubbish".

These are two of the better/best pages on Ich:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml

In research it was found that in cool ponds there were no traces of ich after about a week without hosts. This will be shorter in a tropical tank as the higher temperatures accelerate the life cycle (hence why people sugeest increasing temperature when ich infects a tank - though without another form of treatment this will just cause your fish to die quicker).

Tempest:

There are only three stages to the Ich cycle:

Trophont: where the pathogen is buried under the fishes skin and is feeding off the body fluid of the fish. this is the "white spot" that can be seen on a fish.

Tomont: is when the pathogen is encysting on the substrate or other surface and reproducing, leading to hundreds of

Thermonts: which are free swimming and must find a host before dieing.

Each cycle produces hundreds, if not thousands of thermonts per trophont. This is why ich cannot be in all aquaria all (or even most) of the time. Where are all the other thermonts going? Also, ich hgas no long term dormant stage where it can lie in wait for a fish to be unhappy.
 
thanks. since the tank is fishless atm raising the temp to extremes wont be a prop. if i raise the temp to 86 and leave it for like 3-4 days or untill im sure the fish are free from ich and then lower the temp down before adding the fish back. do you think this would work?
 
If you have no fish in there, then you could raise the temp up to past 93. LEave it on that for a few days and you shouldn't see any ich.

Also, some fish can take short bursts at this temperature (accordingt ot he links posted) and most ich cannot breed at this level and will in fact die.

I would probably rather leave it 7 days at the mid 80s to be on the safe side.
 
Where did the itch in all aqauaria / not lecture come from...?
It's irrelevant to the question: we're not talking about an aquarium with fish in it, but one which is empty.
For the record - IMO it's maybe present in a lot of aquariums, even most aquariums (h'mm) but am sure it's not in absolutely ALL. Either way, it makes no practical difference in this, or any other situation.
 
The debate came because someone said ich is present in all aquariua. Seeing such a blatently wrong myth, I provided evidence to show that belief is wrong. The same way as people do when someone states that fish grow to the length of the tank.

It does make a difference because some people believe that ich can survive dormant for sometime until a fish is stressed again, therefore surviving a fishless period for the tank.

I'm terribly sorry if I offended you by including background information and research oppurtunities on this thread which are very much related to the topic ;)

Andy
 
Question for you Andy :) So how does ICH appear in a tank where no fish has been added for several months ?
 
It can be brought in on plants, decorations, transfered from one tank to another on nets. The tomont can rest on any surface of the aquarium. It is important to note that ich cannot survive being dried out, so if one does not have a net for every tank, a possible solution is to leave the nets on the evaporation trays/glass sheets to dry out under the lights (one I use).

It is also believed that some fish may have the ability to resist an infection for a short time before showing the classic infection signs. Thus appearing to be a carrier.

Finally, we can be the weak link. If a single thermont latches on to a fish then we may not notice it, the pathogen can go through a couple of cycles before we notice (especially on heavily nocturnal fish).

I'm sure there are other ways, but that is all I can think of at the moment.
 
I side with andywg on this one. The reason we heat the tank during ich treatment is to accelerate the ich organism's lifecycle to the free swimming form. At this time the organism is vulnerable to chemical eradication.

As each cyst ruptures on your fish and releases the thermonts, they are killed in the free swimming stage. Hence, you should be treating your fish until the cysts are gone. We treat the the tank longer as the ich parasite is unable to live longer than 2- 3 days without a host.

Read andywg's links. They are well grounded. I think his post is informed, educational and right on the money. SH
 

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