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In a 20gal (us):

2 fm Kribs
1 pr blue rams or a few cory cats (whichever you think is best)
a trio of rainbowfish
1 dwarf gourami or pearl gourami

I'm thinking it should be ok since they'll be at different levels of the tank.
So, what do you all think?
Thanks!



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hmmm. problem is I don't really feel I know enough about cichlids. The thoughts that struck me are:
I have heard that even two female kribs can get nasty
and that even rams are territorial when breeding
if this happens, then the corys will be in the firing line, being bottom dwellers and totally incapable of observing territories or fighting back
so that's no 1 to bear in mind.

no 2 is, depends on what rainbows you had in mind, but 3 of the larger species (including dwarf neon) might make life a bit stressful for either a dwarf or a pearl gourami, who essentially like a quiet life; you might be better off with the smaller pseudomugil species, which you would then need to keep in a somewhat bigger school

no 3 is just the usual warning about unhealthy dwarf gouramis- take a good look at all the specimens in the shop before you buy, as even healthy-looking fish could be carriers of the nasty virus that keeps decimating this species.
 
I have a trio of dwarf neon rainbows that I am going to move into that tank. I guess what I need to build around is that trio and 2 fm kribs. The cories, rams, gouramis, etc. are all optional. I am just wanting to get it straight before I go to the fish store and get sidetracked! :D
 
I would just check female kribs in the old world cichlids forum first; it's just this feeling I have that I've read that even female kribs can turn on each other.
 
The answers I got from that are to keep letting them breed and basically hope the babies die and then eventually they'll get tired of breeding and just stop.
Honestly, didn't sound like too good of advice. So I don't know. I asked the lfs and they told me they should be fine since there's no males around.
Do you know of any person here who might really know that I can pm?
Thanks!
 
Trying to think of someone... Of course, a single female would always be an option, and that would leave you room for a few more dwarf neons. But you really want expert advice on the kribs first.
 
I appreciate the help. I am thinking now that I may just return both adults, and keep a few of the babies in hopes that 1 will be a female. I'll keep that female and return the other babies, too. I just didn't know if 1 female krib would be ok by herself. I'd hate for her to be lonely, ya know?
 
Could work, but I wouldn't mix rams and kribs together. Choose one. Too many dwarf cichlids in a small tank will end up with fights over territory. Since dwarf cichlids like these will claim about 30-45 cm radius around their "nest", a 20 gallon tank will be big enough for one fish (or pair).

Actually, I don't believe in mixing labyrinth fish with cichlids at all. They aren't a good combination except when handled right. The cichlids and labyrinth fish have similar demands but conflicting temperaments, and usually the cichlids hammer the labyrinth fish. This is certainly true with climbing perch versus African cichlids of similar size, and tends to be true with gouramis and "peaceful" cichlids. There are combinations that work (e.g., lace gouramis and angelfish) but I wouldn't predict dwarf gouramis with rams or kribs would be 100% safe.

20 gallons is (in my opinion) too small for a pearl/lace gourami -- they get to at least 10 cm, and need a fair amount of space. Better stick with small species. I have a hearty distrust of dwarf gouramis UNLESS obtained from amateur breeders. Too many dwarf gouramis are sick with bacterial/viral diseases that can't be cured.

Kribs work best with fast, midwater fish. Rainbows would be ideal. Both would thrive in pH 7, slightly soft to moderately hard water. So would sturdy tetras, such as bleeding heart tetras or x-ray tetras. Hatchetfish, small barbs, or glassfish would be good, too. Neons and cardinals not so good because they stay close to the bottom and tend to be a bit dozy.

Corydoras are a crap shoot with dwarf cichlids. Worst case: the cories have their eyes bitten off. Personally, I'd skip Corydoras if you wanted to keep dwarf cichlids. Some type of small armoured catfish such as Ancistrus sp. would be a much better bet. So would a dwarf upside-down catfish (though single specimens tend to be shy, and 20 gallons is too small for the preferable trio or more). Small loaches might be one alternative worth considering. If you want to breed the kribs, leave out the catfish altogether.

Your main problem is 20 gallons isn't much space, and provides limited swimming space for active fish like rainbows, tetras, or barbs. With relatively small tanks such as this, you can often have much more fun picking a pair of dwarf cichlids and embarking on a breeding project. You could also do the same with some type of gourami, though breeding gouramis is MUCH more difficult. But paradisefish or one of the more unusal Betta species could be very worthwhile and entertaining.

Otherwise, if you just want "pretty", go for a planted tank and install small, not-too-active fishes that will provide bright colours, for example Endler guppies, neon tetras, or bumblebee gobies.

Cheers, Neale

In a 20gal (us):
2 fm Kribs
1 pr blue rams or a few cory cats (whichever you think is best)
a trio of rainbowfish
1 dwarf gourami or pearl gourami
 
There was a question on this subject in Christmas issue of Pratical Fishkeeping. This really agrees with nmonks post
 
Hi.

I have 2 dwarf gouramis -one a neon dwarf and one a honey red dwarf with my blue ram. They dont pay attention to it.

Also, my 2 dwarfs are males, and they have not even looked twice at each other in a bad way, they swim up and down together from day one.

Good luck, but dwarf gourami's and blue rams are both beautiful, so you will have alot of good times watching them ahead of you.
 

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