Help?

MHHH, RIGHT
The Ich wasnt present when I bought the rest

Sooooooo.... with a big tank like that overstocked as it is, you didn't think about quarantining the additional fish you bought on a whim? Introduced them into an overstocked environment and then had an outbreak of Ich which was preventable on two occasions

1) Not buying them
2) Quarantining

I cant stop thinking about the costs of maintaining an external filter , its too complicated and high maintainence and the carbon stuff and all that
The day in which I need a new tank I will sell my Clown Loaches.

That really just sounds like a lazy man excuse, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't your interal filter have carbon as well? An external filter needs just as much "Maintaining" as an internal, if you really did enjoy and like the fish you would at least alleviate the stress they must be under in that over stocked tank. To claim an external filter is too complicated and high maintenance but then to say you will re-home the clown Loaches leads me to beleive you won't do it, setting up a completely new tank would be more complicated than installing an external filter and turning it on.

For the moment its fine. Everyone gets so stressed about Clown Loaches in 'Small Tanks', I wish people stopped all that.

I'm sorry... It's not fine, you over stocked and you bought fish on a whim and thus introduced Ich by being ill prepared you then are claiming you'll buy a new tank when they get bigger yet are refusing to purchase an external filter to help cope with the overstocking. You came to this forum for advice yet you seem to blatantly ignore it especially when it comes to these clown loaches and claiming "everyone gets so stressed", believe me you'll be the one stressed when a certain faecal matter hits a rotating bladed device.

I honestly think the advice is going on deaf ears here and you will just continue with what you want to do whether or not someone advises you differently.

A little strong on my approach but I think it's necessary to iterate the points to him/her
 
Serious change in attitude needed from the OP here.

You are not looking after these fish correctly, are over-stocked, under-filtered, and by the the looks of your postings so far, not very knowledgeable about keeping fish.

Not a great combination.

You have asked advice on how to make your tank better. People are trying to offer advice and help, i suggest you listen.
 
Really you need to go back to the drawing board with this one. People on here have given you a lot of good advice which you have ignored and dismissed. The tank might work in the short term but long term its going to fall over and you will probably lose everything. People aren't saying these things to have a go at you so don't take it so personally. they are saying these things so that you can have a healthy, trouble free fish tank that you will be able to enjoy for years to come.

Your current fish list:
4 Angelfish,
28 Tetras (various species)
2 Pearl Gourami,
8 Corydora
1 Rainbow shark.
4 CELEBES RAINBOWFISH
2 KRIBENSIS
5 CLOWN LOACHS (SMALLEST FISH IN MY TANK, BOUGHT SOME BUT WILL BE MOVED INTO LARGER TANK WHEN 3.5 INCHES)
2 SIAMESE ALGAE EATERS

So a total of 52 fish. This is too much for a 120l tank.
4 Angel fish - These will end up fighting. Wait until you get a pair form from them and rehome the other two.
Tetras - I would say these are fine.
Pearl Gourami's - again I would say these are ok but ideally need a bigger group of around 4 (and you REALLY dont want to add more fish in here).
Corydora - These are ok.
Rainbow Shark - Your tank is too small. Period. Rehome it.
Rainbow fish - Dont know much about these but provisionally ok.
2 Kribs. Generally not a good idea with angel fish once they both start spawning (if they dont all die first) there is going to be a lot of aggression in a small tank.
Clown loaches - Your tank is too small, take them back or rehome them. You will not be buying a bigger tank for them. You either can not afford or can not be bothered to get an external filter for this tank so there is no way you are going to upgrade to a tank big enough to keep these.
The algae eaters - As noted above they can become aggressive and generally I wouldn't recommend them.

What I would recommend:
Keep the tetras, cory's and the angels. This is pushing the boundaries for stocking levels in that size of tank as it is. Once two of the angels have paired off keep them re-home the other two. get rid of all the other fish, most of them aren't really suitable for your tank.

If you want you could swap the angle fish for the gorumis (and get two more) or you could swap them for the kribs.

Definitely get an external filter or at least another internal filter. Even if you go with the stocking list I put above you are pushing the stocking levels and I wouldn't rely on one filter to do the job long term.

Just because your fish are small now doesn't mean they wont grow quick and "selling them when they are big" is not an option. Don't give us this crap about the fact that they cost you money and your not going to just going to give them away. If you had listened to the advice in the first place you wouldn't have bought more fish and if you had done even the minimum of research first you definitely wouldn't have bought the clowns. In this tank most of your fish are going to end up dead anyway so is it not better to give some of them away anyway.

You are just setting yourself up for a lot of hassle and dead fish in this tank so PLEASE take on board some of the advice you have been given here.

If you don't want to listen to the advice and want to just continue trying to justify a pretty cruel stocking list then just don't bother posting about it any more. Most of the people on this forum are here because they love fish and seeing someone who treats them in this way annoys even the best of us. We ALL make mistakes and I would say 99% of the people on here have made poor decisions in the past when stocking a tank. However the difference between someone that actually cares about their fish and someone that doesn't is that if you care you will listen to the advice and do something to fix the mistakes you have made. At the moment you are just coming off as someone who doesn't give a crap about the animals you are keeping and that just gets everyones backs up.
 
Really you need to go back to the drawing board with this one. People on here have given you a lot of good advice which you have ignored and dismissed. The tank might work in the short term but long term its going to fall over and you will probably lose everything. People aren't saying these things to have a go at you so don't take it so personally. they are saying these things so that you can have a healthy, trouble free fish tank that you will be able to enjoy for years to come.

Your current fish list:
4 Angelfish,
28 Tetras (various species)
2 Pearl Gourami,
8 Corydora
1 Rainbow shark.
4 CELEBES RAINBOWFISH
2 KRIBENSIS
5 CLOWN LOACHS (SMALLEST FISH IN MY TANK, BOUGHT SOME BUT WILL BE MOVED INTO LARGER TANK WHEN 3.5 INCHES)
2 SIAMESE ALGAE EATERS

So a total of 52 fish. This is too much for a 120l tank.
4 Angel fish - These will end up fighting. Wait until you get a pair form from them and rehome the other two.
Tetras - I would say these are fine.
Pearl Gourami's - again I would say these are ok but ideally need a bigger group of around 4 (and you REALLY dont want to add more fish in here).
Corydora - These are ok.
Rainbow Shark - Your tank is too small. Period. Rehome it.
Rainbow fish - Dont know much about these but provisionally ok.
2 Kribs. Generally not a good idea with angel fish once they both start spawning (if they dont all die first) there is going to be a lot of aggression in a small tank.
Clown loaches - Your tank is too small, take them back or rehome them. You will not be buying a bigger tank for them. You either can not afford or can not be bothered to get an external filter for this tank so there is no way you are going to upgrade to a tank big enough to keep these.
The algae eaters - As noted above they can become aggressive and generally I wouldn't recommend them.

What I would recommend:
Keep the tetras, cory's and the angels. This is pushing the boundaries for stocking levels in that size of tank as it is. Once two of the angels have paired off keep them re-home the other two. get rid of all the other fish, most of them aren't really suitable for your tank.

If you want you could swap the angle fish for the gorumis (and get two more) or you could swap them for the kribs.

Definitely get an external filter or at least another internal filter. Even if you go with the stocking list I put above you are pushing the stocking levels and I wouldn't rely on one filter to do the job long term.

Just because your fish are small now doesn't mean they wont grow quick and "selling them when they are big" is not an option. Don't give us this crap about the fact that they cost you money and your not going to just going to give them away. If you had listened to the advice in the first place you wouldn't have bought more fish and if you had done even the minimum of research first you definitely wouldn't have bought the clowns. In this tank most of your fish are going to end up dead anyway so is it not better to give some of them away anyway.

You are just setting yourself up for a lot of hassle and dead fish in this tank so PLEASE take on board some of the advice you have been given here.

If you don't want to listen to the advice and want to just continue trying to justify a pretty cruel stocking list then just don't bother posting about it any more. Most of the people on this forum are here because they love fish and seeing someone who treats them in this way annoys even the best of us. We ALL make mistakes and I would say 99% of the people on here have made poor decisions in the past when stocking a tank. However the difference between someone that actually cares about their fish and someone that doesn't is that if you care you will listen to the advice and do something to fix the mistakes you have made. At the moment you are just coming off as someone who doesn't give a crap about the animals you are keeping and that just gets everyones backs up.
Most of the fish have been rehomed
 
Yes everything is gone except on the clown loach which ive put in another tank.
 
That tank is going to be a warzone and a cramped one at that.

You may not want to give fish away for losing money but if you leave it how it is then the majority of them will die soon anyway.

If you're going to ask for help, it works best if you take the advice and follow it. People on here don't have nice healthy tanks from ignoring the rules and advice of good fishkeeping experience.
 
Really you need to go back to the drawing board with this one. People on here have given you a lot of good advice which you have ignored and dismissed. The tank might work in the short term but long term its going to fall over and you will probably lose everything. People aren't saying these things to have a go at you so don't take it so personally. they are saying these things so that you can have a healthy, trouble free fish tank that you will be able to enjoy for years to come.

Your current fish list:
4 Angelfish,
28 Tetras (various species)
2 Pearl Gourami,
8 Corydora
1 Rainbow shark.
4 CELEBES RAINBOWFISH
2 KRIBENSIS
5 CLOWN LOACHS (SMALLEST FISH IN MY TANK, BOUGHT SOME BUT WILL BE MOVED INTO LARGER TANK WHEN 3.5 INCHES)
2 SIAMESE ALGAE EATERS

So a total of 52 fish. This is too much for a 120l tank.
4 Angel fish - These will end up fighting. Wait until you get a pair form from them and rehome the other two.
Tetras - I would say these are fine.
Pearl Gourami's - again I would say these are ok but ideally need a bigger group of around 4 (and you REALLY dont want to add more fish in here).
Corydora - These are ok.
Rainbow Shark - Your tank is too small. Period. Rehome it.
Rainbow fish - Dont know much about these but provisionally ok.
2 Kribs. Generally not a good idea with angel fish once they both start spawning (if they dont all die first) there is going to be a lot of aggression in a small tank.
Clown loaches - Your tank is too small, take them back or rehome them. You will not be buying a bigger tank for them. You either can not afford or can not be bothered to get an external filter for this tank so there is no way you are going to upgrade to a tank big enough to keep these.
The algae eaters - As noted above they can become aggressive and generally I wouldn't recommend them.

What I would recommend:
Keep the tetras, cory's and the angels. This is pushing the boundaries for stocking levels in that size of tank as it is. Once two of the angels have paired off keep them re-home the other two. get rid of all the other fish, most of them aren't really suitable for your tank.

If you want you could swap the angle fish for the gorumis (and get two more) or you could swap them for the kribs.

Definitely get an external filter or at least another internal filter. Even if you go with the stocking list I put above you are pushing the stocking levels and I wouldn't rely on one filter to do the job long term.

Just because your fish are small now doesn't mean they wont grow quick and "selling them when they are big" is not an option. Don't give us this crap about the fact that they cost you money and your not going to just going to give them away. If you had listened to the advice in the first place you wouldn't have bought more fish and if you had done even the minimum of research first you definitely wouldn't have bought the clowns. In this tank most of your fish are going to end up dead anyway so is it not better to give some of them away anyway.

You are just setting yourself up for a lot of hassle and dead fish in this tank so PLEASE take on board some of the advice you have been given here.

If you don't want to listen to the advice and want to just continue trying to justify a pretty cruel stocking list then just don't bother posting about it any more. Most of the people on this forum are here because they love fish and seeing someone who treats them in this way annoys even the best of us. We ALL make mistakes and I would say 99% of the people on here have made poor decisions in the past when stocking a tank. However the difference between someone that actually cares about their fish and someone that doesn't is that if you care you will listen to the advice and do something to fix the mistakes you have made. At the moment you are just coming off as someone who doesn't give a crap about the animals you are keeping and that just gets everyones backs up.
I dont have 4 Angelfish :lol:
 
OK I've been thinking , If i get a Fluval 305 (for 300litre tanks) and sell a few more fish will I be fine. Im not ignorant by the way :hyper:
 
i would get a big centre piece like wood or an orniment and lots of plants around it.
 

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