Help! My Sick Betta Is Getting Worse :/

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Sorry if i ramble a bit...

when i got my betta (5/6 weeks ago) i noticed one of his fins (a little one by the side of his body, i think its called a pectoral fin or something? :/ ) was about half the size of the other. I thought it was just a stunted fin or something but a friend said (about 2 weeks after i got him) she thought it might be finrot so i kept an eye on him to see if it would start to grow back on its own. Apart from that fin he seemed great, he was active and he'd come up to say hello if someone came in the room and he gobbled down all his food.

Then his proper fins started to look a bit tatty round the edges and the bottom one started to look paler. I bought 'King British fin rot & fungus control'. I used it for a week but he seemed to be getting worse, he was looking like a delta/crown tail but when i got him he was a super delta. He was also starting to get a bit lethargic.

So i went and bought 'Myxazin fin rot & bacteria' to use instead. I left it 48 hours between swapping and monday was the last day of the 5 day cource the bottle says to do. However he is looking worse and, although he eats and comes to say hello if he notices your there, he spends a lot of the time at the bottom of the tank with his head buried in my moss ball (i assume because its dark).

His in a 19l (just under 5 gallons) tank with filter, heater (80F), a moss ball and what i think is egeria densa (plant). I also have a couple of ornaments and silk plants i swap and change round when i do a water change (i do a 20% change once a week). Theres also quite a few ramshorn snails in there. The waters fine apart from being a bit hard. I feed him Hikari betta bio-gold pellets 4 times a week, freeze dried bloodworms twice a week and nothing on mondays.

Anyway, what should i do now? should i continue with one of the medicines? or shall i leave him without for a while to see if that helps? Should i turn the tank light off for longer so he gets more sleep? At the moment its off overnight for about 9 hours
 
How is he doing? Have you tested the water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? Was your tank cycled when you introduced him, and if not is it cycled now? Does he show any other sypmtoms like rubbing against objects? I wouldn't add more medicines unless you know what is wrong with him, as it can just stress them out further. I would also leave the lights off for longer to give him a break. A picture might help.
 
How is he doing? Have you tested the water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? Was your tank cycled when you introduced him, and if not is it cycled now? Does he show any other sypmtoms like rubbing against objects? I wouldn't add more medicines unless you know what is wrong with him, as it can just stress them out further. I would also leave the lights off for longer to give him a break. A picture might help.
Exactly. Treating a fish with antibiotics without knowing more than "he might have finrot" may only worsen things.

I would first suspect high ammonia/nitrite and the added stress of medication unless you are certain you have a cycled tank and can verify the ammonia/nitrite levels.

Unfortunately, the burying head into the mossball is not "hiding". That is a fish that will, unfortunately, not live for much longer unless the problems is diagnosed and fixed (sometimes you may just have an ill fish from the fish store). You are certainly taking care to ensure your betta has a great home and have gone through the obvious steps to ensure his health.
 
his a lot worse than he was a few days ago :'( he lies on the bottom of the tank all the time, only coming up for air. I have to wait for him to do this when i feed him otherwise he won't notice :/

the tanks cycled, the ammonia and nitrite is 0 and the nitrate is 20

i've stopped using the medications and i've put activated carbon back into the filter. I did a 50% water change on thursday and i've done 25% changes everyday since so hopefully cleaner water will help. I added a piece of driftwood to the tank yesterday to release tannins as i've heard these help to releive stress? I've also started to add salt today, i'm going to add 1/2 a teaspoon a day for 8 days when doing the water change. Does this sound ok? :/

do you know whether Kanamycin Sulfate would be effective? apparently its good for helping cure severe finrot and i think it can be used with salt :/ i'm not sure where i'd be able to get it in the uk though, i haven't found much on the internet

here a photo from 5 weeks ago and a photo from a couple of days ago:

fish1-1-1.jpg


fish2-1.jpg
 
his a lot worse than he was a few days ago :'( he lies on the bottom of the tank all the time, only coming up for air. I have to wait for him to do this when i feed him otherwise he won't notice :/

the tanks cycled, the ammonia and nitrite is 0 and the nitrate is 20

i've stopped using the medications and i've put activated carbon back into the filter. I did a 50% water change on thursday and i've done 25% changes everyday since so hopefully cleaner water will help. I added a piece of driftwood to the tank yesterday to release tannins as i've heard these help to releive stress? I've also started to add salt today, i'm going to add 1/2 a teaspoon a day for 8 days when doing the water change. Does this sound ok? :/

do you know whether Kanamycin Sulfate would be effective? apparently its good for helping cure severe finrot and i think it can be used with salt :/ i'm not sure where i'd be able to get it in the uk though, i haven't found much on the internet

here a photo from 5 weeks ago and a photo from a couple of days ago:

fish1-1-1.jpg


fish2-1.jpg
hmmmmm.... you are going above and beyond compared to the average betta newbie asking for help here.

Quite frankly, you are doing everything right and are very apt to recognizing an issue and treating it.

Excessive water changing/cleaning can certainly lead to a few health problems. I don't see a whole lot of grey, deteriorating fins from the most recent picture. Maybe just leave the guy alone for a bit and see what happens.

I certainly encourage other members to chime is as I am not entirely sure... but the guy might have no immune system right now due to excessive water changes and treatments.
 
I'm not really sure how to help the situation as such (my other half asked on here weeks ago and we got no response so I'd like to see what you are recommended).

As for helping his immune system, soak his food in garlic juice; it's apparently VERY good for their immune systems; and if not it's was a treat anyway.

I normally soak blood worms in garlic juice as they are a bit easier than flakes/pellets to get out. All of my bettas LOVE garlic juice soaked foods :)
 

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