Help Cycling My New Tank, Ammonia Wont Drop :(

kazzybabes

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I am trying to do a fishless cycle on my tank (my first ever one! lol) but the ammonia levels just arent dropping, its been about a month since i added the ammonia up to the 5ppm, the nitrites are at 0 still, i did notice that my ph was 7.8, is this too high? it was ph 7 before i added any ammonia, so is this causing the increase in ph? Also, is it better to leave the light on in my tank? Oh and i ve noticed that my plants (fake) look kind of 'dusty' and on the sucker bits of my heater, there is like a big string of what looks like dust, is this normal?

Thank you for any help! :)

Karen
 
I am trying to do a fishless cycle on my tank (my first ever one! lol) but the ammonia levels just arent dropping, its been about a month since i added the ammonia up to the 5ppm, the nitrites are at 0 still, i did notice that my ph was 7.8, is this too high? it was ph 7 before i added any ammonia, so is this causing the increase in ph? Also, is it better to leave the light on in my tank? Oh and i ve noticed that my plants (fake) look kind of 'dusty' and on the sucker bits of my heater, there is like a big string of what looks like dust, is this normal?

Thank you for any help! :)

Karen


hi karen welcome to the forum..

have you been doing any water changes ? ,what tank have you got,? have you touched the filter media atall ? your ph is fine :good:
 
hi karen welcome to the forum..

have you been doing any water changes ? ,what tank have you got,? have you touched the filter media atall ? your ph is fine :good:
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Hi, no i havent been doing any water changes, as i thought you left it until the ammonia dropped to zero? i havent touched the filter media and its a fishbox 64 l tank (just a wee one) :) thanks!

Karen
 
are u sure the ammonia added is only 5ppm and wot test kit u using 2 test ?
 
well, im not sure if its 5ppm because thats not on my wee result card lol, its about 4ppm, im using the api master test kit
 
how long have your tank been cycling ? when was the first dose of ammonia put in to your tank
 
how long have your tank been cycling ? when was the first dose of ammonia put in to your tank
four weeks ago


umm very odd :unsure: thats all i can think is that your filter media aint working propely ..basicaly your pads and floss aint creating the good bacteria to break down ammonia into nitrite and then nitrite into nitrate ,check your filter
 
Hi Kazzybabes,

When was the last time you checked the pH? If it was at the beginning of the cycle, the pH may have dropped and stalled the cycle. A current test result would confirm.

BTT
 
hi i last checked it 2 days ago and it was still at ph7.8, which is the same ph it was when i first put in the ammonia, its a new filter that i got with my tank, is there anyway i can open it to check it? sorry i must sound dumb lol!
 
you should be able to , the only reason i can think of lies within your pads and floss ...dont take my word for it and it may sound dumb but there may not be even any pads or floss to home the bacteria in there ..

try and find some info on opening your tank filter to check the pads
 
There are some other things that can cause ammonia to not work properly for a fishless cycle:

Culprit 1: Water treatments. A lot of them now neutralise ammonia as well as chlorine, because a lot of towns and cities have taken to adding ammonia, chloramine (mixture of chlorine and ammonia) and chlorine to their water. Because this will harm fish if you do a big water change with it, a lot of water treatments have taken to neutralising all of them.
Most 'complete' water treatments or 'water agers' these days aim to get rid of everything that may be undesirable - they muck around with the salinity, heavy metals, trace elements, ammonia, chlorine, chloramine, hypochlorite... they often don't go into details about what they do and don't remove, or what they use to neutralise various substances. A lot of these half-ass ammonia removers will stop the ammonia cycling your filter, but still provide a reading. If this is what's gone wrong, you need to do a complete water change, refill the tank using dechlorinator only (not a complete water treatment), and re-add the ammonia.

Culprit 2: Zeolite. It's a filter media usually used to rescue people who don't cycle. It's marketed as a substitute for cycling, for those who couldn't be bothered, but in the long run it's disastrous and causes more problems than it fixes. I won't go into that here. It is usually enclosed in a netting bag, and looks like pale grey or cream pebbles. It's sold as ammonia absorber or ammonia remover. Usually it will cause a zero reading, so I doubt that this is your problem, but if you find it, get rid of it.

Culprit 3: Blocked filter. If there is too much wool or floss, or something blocking up the water flow in the filter, the bacteria will not get enough oxygen. Oxygen flow through the filter is essential during cycling - make sure it's running on its highest setting and remove any non-cycling media (like carbon) to provide more water flow. If it's making too much current you can slow it down before you go to add fish.

Culprit 4: Surfactants in the ammonia. Ammonia is generally sold as a household cleaner. On its own, it isn't much use. It's far more effective for its intended purpose if it's combined with soap. A lot of companies mix the soap with the ammonia before they sell it. They use just about anything - bleach, sugar soap, and various other antibacterial agents. If something like that is in the ammonia solution you're using, the bacteria will not grow. Shake the solution. Pure ammonia should form clear bubbles that burst within about ten seconds when you stop shaking. A solution containing surfactants will foam up like soap suds. You may also see - geez, it's hard to describe - sort of like a swirling, pearly, iridescent stuff in the solution. Pure ammonia solution will look cloudy, like water with a teaspoon or two of milk added. There may be a white sediment on the bottom of the bottle.
If your ammonia contains surfactants, this is a major pain. You'll need to drain the tank, rinse it out very thoroughly, rinse all water-contacting parts (like as much of the filter as you can disassemble) and probably replace the filtration media.

Do you think it could be any of the above? Four weeks with no reduction in the ammonia reading is definitely not normal.
 
Hiya, the ammonia im using is boots household ammonia, it contains ammonia solution 9.5%, the filter im using is an interpet internal power filter, and there does seem to be a carbon filter in it, the chlorine remover that im using is interpets bioactive tapsafe, it says nothing about removing ammonia? i also have another product which i got with my tank called interpets filter start, i havent used this that much, do you think i should?

Thanks so much for all your help!

Karen
 
well, im not sure if its 5ppm because thats not on my wee result card lol, its about 4ppm, im using the api master test kit
you may of over dosed the ammonia cos i think thats wot i did and my first lot took 4 1/2 weeks to drop
i thought i had 5ppm but it wasnt and till it started to drop then i could see that my ammonia was off the scale to start with :sick:
 

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