Help! Angelfish Spawning

[teesuk]

Hi
Can anyone help me,i have two angelfish,male and female marble, and they have just started spawning on a plant in the tank, im new to this and never expected it to happen,they are still at it now i have other fish in the tank and dont have another one i can move them into,plus i go away friday for a fortnight my daughter is staying at home so she will be looking after aquarium.please any info would be very much appreciated as i dont have a clue
joanne

 

[ArauraDiscus]

I'm american so the fortnight term is long long outdated, but that means about 2 weeks or 1 week right? Either way you should be able to help your daughter understand what needs to be done. if you have no other tank available, a large, well cleaned plasitc container used to store food can be used. Fill it with tank water and place the plant or what not in the container. Put an airstone and airbubbler in the container to keep the water oxygenated and non stagnant. Then leave the eggs in there, they will hacth in 2 days and be free swimming in about 3 more days. After this five day period, the obvious yolk sacks will be gone. At this point, feed the babies napulii (Baby brine shrimp). Grow it yourself or use frozen foods. This should be their main diet until large enough to eat flakes and other frozen foods. Also in addition to napulii, you can use infosuria, which can be cultured by throwing a peeled banana in a container of water. Once it becomes cloudy, toss the bannana out and feed the fry the cloudy water.

Also the number one rule of fry keeping is water changes. Have your daughter do many water changes to whatever is housing the fry at least once a day being careful not to suck the fry up and throw them out, and also being careful not to radically change the ph and water temperatures during water changes. Also consider getting a 20 gallon tank to put the fry in asap. They cannot stay in the container for more than a few days after they hatch, or the small confinement and crowding will deform them all.

 

[kribensis12]

Leave the babies with the mom and dad. Also, they will take care of them until a certain size. Also, if the eggs arent fertilized or the parents are inexpericend they will eat the eggs. PM Tolak as he breeds angels by the masses.

 

[ArauraDiscus]

Nope that won't work. especially if it's a cmmunity tank. 95% of angels will not raise their fry, they will eat them. These are angelfish, not discus that we are talking about here. Also you can simply add methylene blue or acroflavin until the water is yellow or blue depending on the anti-fungal, this will prevent fungus from killing the eggs. As well as kribesis meant, he is wrong on this issue. I also breed angelfish btw.

 

[DiscusKeeper403]

A washed out jam jar or mayonaise jar can work just as well as a tupperware container. If it was me I wouldn't pull the first batch to be honest, not very many fry will survive, wait till' the parents get a little better at breeding. I have also heard that you can allow the Angelfish to raise their young, but it takes a lot of pratise, and even then it may not work. If you don't want to raise the fry simply throw the eggs, nature has allowed more eggs to die then you could breeding angelfish your whole life, so don't worry. I have heard that you should darken the water to a navy blue with the methylene blue and place the breeding type container into a paper bag, because from what I understand they are sensitive to light.

 

[ArauraDiscus]

Is this a community tank? If so it could be fun and worth a try to do what I said, if not though, leaving them in the tank might save the hassle. And you will be one lucky fellow if you find a pair of angels that will raise their fry. I have gotten angelfish to raise them to about thumbtack size before they eat them all. If you REALLY want babies, it's not worth letting them raise the fry.

 

[kribensis12]

It is proven that babies do better and grow faster if left with the parents( as long as it's a cichlid lol). A lady who lives behind my house used to have a whole basement full of tanks. They had breeding pairs of angelfish in them. She said that hers never ate the babies or anything( it takes 2 times of experince for the adults before this happens). And you cant tell me she was doing somthing right becasue she didnt know angelfish were cichlids.

 

[ArauraDiscus]

Yeah it doesn't have anything to do with experience when they don't eat their babies, it's pure luck. Most angelfish, even after about 20 spawns, will eat their eggs. trust me it's very rare. your name kribensis implies that you like small cichlids. trust me kribensis are absolutely nothing like angelfish. Angelfish have been in the trade way too long, the vast majority are no longer acceptable parents. Luck will give you a pair that EVER takes care of their fry.

 

[kribensis12]

Tell that to the lady who lives bye me. She told me that she goes to petsmart, buys 6 fish, let them pair off. Ans nature takes it's course. She said one of the best keyes is to be quite and keep the lights off and they take care of their babies( the lights have to be off until they are wrigglers). Ohh, and trust me, i know alot about angels, discus, convicts, kribs, all apsito's( for the most part) and a few other fish that are cichlids( some are even bigger). I do know that the instinct cannot be bred out of them. God makes every animal, he gives them instinct, and no type of breeding can get rid of it. I do have to admit that they arent the best parents, but they do a good job. Also, my name may be kribensis12, but that dosent implie anything. Ohh, a freind of mine who works at my favorite lfs, has a pair of black long finned angels, and they bred on their first try and they raised their babies.

 

[ArauraDiscus]

OK chill, she has gotten lucky. It's a well known fact that most angelfish have problems in rearing the fry. Do some research and you'll see that I'm not kidding. And you need to keep more angelfish and you'd notice this. Actually it has happened, we must have fooled God then, because wild angels tend to be better parents.

 

[kribensis12]

You cant fool god, and maybe they are better parents, but that dosent mean anything. It could just be that they feel safer.

 

[Tolak]

Dim lights, and less commotion help many fish with breeding, as well as angels with parent raising. With angels it's best to keep pairs up higher in the fishroom, as legs zipping past is a lot of commotion, and a far quiet corner helps as well.

Due to the inbreeding and line breeding required to obtain the different varieties of angels much of the parenting skills have been bred out of them. This being the case it is more rare to see angels parent raise, as they are further removed from wild type angels. Many breeders will outcross to F1 wilds or half wilds after a bit of inbreeding, then breed in and/or line breed to get back to what they are looking for. This often takes a few to several years to accomplish, but the results are worth it. Large breeders who supply potential breeders to smaller breeders such as myself have large enough facilities to accomplish this on a regular and ongoing basis, and do charge accordingly.

 

[ArauraDiscus]

Can't fool God? What do you call glofish? Dolly the Lamb?

And Tolak agrees, wild angels are better parents, inbreeding has bred the parenting skills out of many angelfish. Don't think that just because you are fish smart means that you are always right about fish. Be open to other people opinions because you may just be wrong like in this instance. If I reacted like you did to me telling you you were wrong, I wouldn't know half of what I do because I'd be too hard headed to listen to anyone and learn.

 

[Tolak]

It isn't so much fooling God, as taking the randomness of the wild out of God's hands, and substituting it with a controlled environment. Breeders orient their breeding programs towards different individual things, at the start it's often just success in breeding a particular species. With angels healthy stock of a certain color variety is often the next step, further on things such as temperment and parent raising ability come into play.

Often angels that were parent raised will go on to be parent raisers themselves. I have some marbles, silvers, & smokies I was able to obtain from another breeder that were parent raised, they are growing out, and will hopefully have this trait passed on. I have no idea if this is a genetic trait, or learned behavior, but hopefully this is something I can incorporate into my breeding program down the road.

 

[kribensis12]

Can't fool God? What do you call glofish? Dolly the Lamb?

And Tolak agrees, wild angels are better parents, inbreeding has bred the parenting skills out of many angelfish. Don't think that just because you are fish smart means that you are always right about fish. Be open to other people opinions because you may just be wrong like in this instance. If I reacted like you did to me telling you you were wrong, I wouldn't know half of what I do because I'd be too hard headed to listen to anyone and learn.

Glofish are genetically modified. Dolly the lamb, was made by another living animal. Now if they can make a lamb out of thin air, then that would be somthing. I am not hardheaded thankyou. I am open to other peoples oppinnions thankyou. I am not that fish smart. I couldnt tell you jack about saltwater fish. So if you think that you can breed out an instinct then here is an example and you will see howw ridiculous it is. Ex: a littler of pups have their legs amputated before they are able to walk. And you do this for many many generations. Then one time you decide that you will let them keep their legs.According to you the dog would almost have no chance of learning how to walk.