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Hello everyone! I'm new to the forums, but I've been taking care of goldfish for a while (actually, my father started the hobby since I was young, and I've started to take an interest in taking care of fish of my own)

I used to live in Seattle, Washington, but moved to the Philippines with my parents because I’m taking college here. Anyway, I’ve started my own aquariums (two of them, one is a 15 gallon tank, and the other is a 30 gallon tank) the 15 gallon tank consists of my tropical fish, while the 30 gallon tank houses my goldfish.

There are a few questions regarding both tanks that I hope some of you could answer for me, I’m also seeking for advice from anyone. I’ve been doing some studying through books and online websites, but there are a few things that I would like to hear from other owners through their personal experiences =)

First of all, I’ll start with my tropical tank (15 gallons)
I think I may have over crowded the tank, as it consists of:

6 black mollies (2 males, 4 females)
6 swordtails (2 males, 4 females)
10 guppies (3 males, 7 females)
15 neon tetras (not sure how to sex them...)

Now, before you shoot me down with “how could you put so many fish such a small tank?!” remarks, I would like to let you all know that my friend is giving her tank to me pretty soon (20 gallon, tall) so I plan on putting some of the tropical fish in there, giving me two tropical tanks total.

My first question is what fish would be a good ratio/mix when I transfer some of them into the other tank?? My plan is to split them like this:

15 gallon tank:
3 black mollies (1 male, 2 females) (+2 surviving babies)
3 swordtails (1 male, 2 females) (+3 surviving babies)
4 guppies (1 male, 3 females)

20 gallon tank:
3 black mollies (1 male, 2 females)
3 swordtails (1 male, 2 females)
6 guppies (2 males, 4 females)
15 neon tetras

As far as supplies go, that won’t be much of a problem. Thankfully, I’ve made a good friend who sells their fish (family business, rather than a local store) and supplies/equipment for a lower price than normal because I’m a regular customer. All the fish and items I’ve bought from him are of top quality, as none of the fish I’ve bought from him have died. Thank goodness!
Also, recently my swordtails and mollies had given birth to some fry…unfortunately I was back in Seattle at the time (I had my dad look after my fish while I was gone) so most of the fry were eaten by the other fish…although 3 swordtails and 2 mollies survived and are doing really well =) I plan on giving those to the store owner for him to sell once they’ve reached a reasonable size to avoid over crowding.

My next question deals with any future fry that may come…
Is it ‘required’ that I separate the pregnant fish before they give birth? Or can I just let them give birth in the community tank? I don’t mind the fry getting eaten by the other fish, as its good nutrition for the other fish (so I’ve read). Will there be any negative effects in the community aquarium if I do that (contribution of pollution, etc…)? Or is it perfectly fine as long as I keep up with constant water changes (been doing water changes once a week)? I do however have a lot of vegetation for the fry to hide, giving them a bigger chance of surviving, and those that do make it; I’ll just give to the store owner for him to sell.

Okay, onto my next aquarium, the 30 gallon goldfish tank which consists of:

1 large ryukin
1 medium-small ryukin
2 medium-small . . . . . . common goldfish (I’m not sure what kind they are, perhaps you can identify them in the pictures)
2 small pearlscales
3 angelfish (this is where my question goes)

Regarding my 3 angelfish, I’ve read that mixing goldfish and angelfish isn’t a good idea, but I’ve had my angelfish and goldfish for more than a year now, and I’ve yet to see any problems with either of the two groups. So my question is, if I haven’t had any troubles with my angelfish co-existing in the same tank as my goldfish, is it still necessary to transfer them to another tank? I’ve heard that they don’t do well with neon tetras as they like to eat them as a snack which is why I didn’t mix my angelfish in the tropical tank.
My angelfish haven’t shown any signs of stress or any kind of negative feedback…they gracefully swim around the tank along with the goldfish… any advice? =)

Well, I guess that’s about it. I’ve included some pictures of both of my tanks, and comments or advice on my tank set up would be greatly appreciated as well! =D The pictures aren’t of great quality as I don’t know how to solve the blurry problem with the fish constantly moving…the flash feature tends to get rid of the blurriness but the flash can always been seen reflecting off the tank… =( any tips on how to take better pictures? I have a Nikon Coolpix2500 digicam if that helps.

. . . wow, that was a long post. Please bear with me! @_@;; Thanks again for your patience!! I’m really loving the forum!

*note* - The bigger versions of these pictures can be found in my photobucket album, I hope you like em!! =)

http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f44/poke...oth_phils/Fish/

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Guppies + neons in one tank, mollies+ sword tails in the other.
When the fry come (which they probably will) If you have fine leafy plants then some fry should survive.
As for putting neons in with angels,I wouldnt recommend it , large angels will eat neons like a fat man in a burger bar.
Out of curiosity, what temp do you keep your angels and gold fish tank temp?
 
Guppies + neons in one tank, mollies+ sword tails in the other.
When the fry come (which they probably will) If you have fine leafy plants then some fry should survive.
As for putting neons in with angels,I wouldnt recommend it , large angels will eat neons like a fat man in a burger bar.
Out of curiosity, what temp do you keep your angels and gold fish tank temp?

thanks for the reply!! =) and many thanks for the suggestions, will do them this weekend.

as for my goldfish and angelfish, it turns out it's not a 30 gallon tank, but a 50 gallon tank. I guess my eye judgement just isn't doing well with size hahaha. But yes, I keep the water temp around 65-75 degrees farenheit. There's no heater in the tank, since there really is no need as I'm living in the philippines. the water gets cold at night (mid 60's) due to the airconditioning in my room... I'm hoping that's a nice ballance between the two species.
 
I agree with "the man from atlantis." I was thinking maybe you could also put the angelfish in with the mollies and swordtails as well though; then the goldfish tank can setup as a true coldwater tank. Of course all these tanks are still overstocked, especially the goldfish tank; your definately going to need a bigger tank for them since they grow so large.
 
I agree with "the man from atlantis." I was thinking maybe you could also put the angelfish in with the mollies and swordtails as well though; then the goldfish tank can setup as a true coldwater tank. Of course all these tanks are still overstocked, especially the goldfish tank; your definately going to need a bigger tank for them since they grow so large.

Thanks for the advice! =)
I've been wanting to buy another 50 gallon tank... I might just do that now =D
That gives me a total of 4 tanks. Hehehe, thanks again for the advice!!
 
I'm just going to put my two cents in here Re: The Livebearers. :p

The plan for the 15 seems a bit crowded. Swordtails and Mollies both get pretty big...so... If you have plans to upgrade this again later, it could be okay. Just keep an eye on them, because both could be potentially aggressive to the Guppies.

Now, for the Mollies, they should be kept in salt. In the Livebearer tank, this will be fine, the others will not mind salt. However, with the Tetras, the Tetras would be less then thrilled. I'd recommend you put all the Mollies in together, but that's also going to be a bit squished. And you'll be more likely to have aggression.

I don't follow here about the 50g...is this for the goldfish, another community tank...?
 
I'm just going to put my two cents in here Re: The Livebearers. :p

The plan for the 15 seems a bit crowded. Swordtails and Mollies both get pretty big...so... If you have plans to upgrade this again later, it could be okay. Just keep an eye on them, because both could be potentially aggressive to the Guppies.

Now, for the Mollies, they should be kept in salt. In the Livebearer tank, this will be fine, the others will not mind salt. However, with the Tetras, the Tetras would be less then thrilled. I'd recommend you put all the Mollies in together, but that's also going to be a bit squished. And you'll be more likely to have aggression.

I don't follow here about the 50g...is this for the goldfish, another community tank...?

thanks for the reply =D

actually, the other 50 gallon tank (which I've yet to buy) will be for the mollies and angelfish.
my old 50 gallon tank that is housing my goldfish and angelfish will now only house the goldfish.
thanks again for the advice!! =)
 

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