Hard Water stocking ideas

Falling Ash

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Hi there,
I'm currently cycling my 85 litre tank, and am thinking of some ideas for stocking. I'm worried I am quite limited due to its small size and hard water. 24 dH.
It'll be planted too.

Update: thank you all for your help. My plants have grown out nicely and the tank is home to a small group of male Endlers.

However I've decided to go for a 4ft 240 L tank because the hobby is addictive so would be open to ideas once more :)

Thanks!
 

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The hardness is given in the first post - 24 dH, which converts to 422 ppm. (The other unit is in mg/l calcium and it converts to 24 dH)
With such a high dH, the pH will probably also be high.

@Falling Ash could you tell us the dimensions of the tank, please. Tanks in the UK are often tall short tanks and the footprint (mainly length) is important to know.
 
I’ve had to do a lot of research on the subject matter myself these last few months and I’m far from an expert so I’d run these past this place before proceeding with any.
Celebes Ricefish, Indian ricefish, Javanese ricefish, Wolasi ricefish, medaka rice fish, meet ppm, Tank size, and Ph according to SF But some just scrape in. Only one type to be kept otherwise they may crossbreed I believe.
Endlers, guppy’s, neon blue eye rainbowfish, least killifish, tiger teddy also.
Hopefully someone else can chip in with a few others.
Which can be kept with others without shagging or shouting is totally beyond my pay grade I’m afraid. In fact I’ve a thread going now which I’m hoping to find a few answers too.
Best of luck.
 
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GH is more important than pH so we need that before we can make any real suggestions. Look on your water company's website to see what they give.

Where did you get these numbers from?
This is the information given by my water company's website.
 

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That is very hard water - as you said in your first post, your hardness is 24 dH (that's the same as German degrees) and 424 ppm (those are the two units used in fish profiles). You don't need to buy a GH tester as it will tell you the same thing.

With a footprint of 45 x 40 cm (18 x 16 inches), it does limit the fish you can keep. The majority of even the smallest fish need at least 60 cm (24 inches) swimming length.
To be honest, the only fish I can think of off the top of my head is endlers. So many hard water species have your GH off the top of their range. Other members with hard (very hard!) water will be able to suggest other species - but bear the tank footprint in mind.
 
That is very hard water - as you said in your first post, your hardness is 24 dH (that's the same as German degrees) and 424 ppm (those are the two units used in fish profiles). You don't need to buy a GH tester as it will tell you the same thing.

With a footprint of 45 x 40 cm (18 x 16 inches), it does limit the fish you can keep. The majority of even the smallest fish need at least 60 cm (24 inches) swimming length.
To be honest, the only fish I can think of off the top of my head is endlers. So many hard water species have your GH off the top of their range. Other members with hard (very hard!) water will be able to suggest other species - but bear the tank footprint in mind.
@essjay Can I just say how glad I am that you're here, and able and willing to help us all with the hardness stuff? It's so confusing to me (and probably some others) and the matter of water hardness is something a LOT of basic care guides for different fish skip right over. I've been leaving youtube vids playing while I've cleaned today, suggestions about fish for a ten gallon, and very few of them mention whether the fish needs hard or soft water. pH maybe, but not dH.

Is it possible for OP to mix RO water with her tap water to bring it to a more acceptable range that opens up her options? My only concern with doing that myself is whether the tank will remain stable. It would presumably involve a lot of testing and making sure all the parameters of replacement water matches the tank every time a water change is done, and perhaps sticking only to fish that can tolerate very hard water is the better plan. Obviously fish that match the tapwater is ideal, but including the limited footprint of the tank as well...
 
It's only in recent years that we've become aware of hardness as an issue. Though we can sometimes get to hung up on it. In very basic terms water is soft, hard or middling. Soft water fish shouldn't be kept in hard water and vice versa. There are some species which must have very soft or very hard water, but other soft or hard water species can cope towards middling as well. And where the water is very soft or very hard (as in this instance), even middling fish will not do well.

Yes, using RO water is an option. Even bringing the hardness down to say around 15 dH would open up more choices. That would need 3 parts tap water to 2 parts RO. But this is a commitment for the lifetime of the tank, and many fish keepers would not be willing to undertake this commitment.

The footprint of the tank is a significant factor here. Many otherwise suitable fish have to be ruled out because of the tank rather than the water.


I'll be honest and say I've not come across water this hard before. Having soft water myself, I'm at a loss as to what to suggest. Some of the suggestions made in other posts do have this hardness in their range, but right at the top end. We usually try to keep fish with our water nearer the middle of their range.

The rice fish mentioned do have this hardness in their range, but only just. There are other rice fish besides those mentioned which need softer water so make sure which the species in the shop tank is.
Least killifish (actually a livebearer, Heterandria formosa) has a range up to 20 dH. Tiger teddies (Neoheterandria elegans, another livebearer) might be OK. But these last two are quite hard to come by - I have never seen them in shops.
Pseudomugil furcatus or P. cyanodorsalis, two of the blue eye rainbows, would be OK - but there are other Pseudomugils which need softer water so the species in the shop tank need to be identified correctly.

Now I've exhausted ClownLurch's suggestions I'll stop there.
 

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