Goldfish Help Needed

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Hello all, I am new to this site, so I hope this makes sense. I went out at the weekend to buy my son a few goldfish ( extra small size ), my local pet shop supplied everything to me including a medium sized starter bowl, that came with gravel, food, plants and more. I prepared the bowl 24hrs before taking home the fish. The fish have been in the bowl for 2 days now and they are both very healthy, BUT, both fishes do not seem to be swimming about much, they both seem to hide behind the plant that is in the bowl. I have seen them eat some food, but thats about it. The bowl is placed on a table away from direct sunlight or noises. Maybe this is normal for two small goldfish. If anyone can recommend anything, I would be pleased to hear from you. Thanks in advance....

Russell
 
What type of goldfish are they, sadly you been given bad info, as bowls are no good for goldfish they grow big, need room to move, and are very big waste producers.
First goldfish a 20gal tank, every other one add 10gal so for two goldfish you need a 30gal tank, with an excellent filter.

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=43980
 
that might be so, but i certainly kept 2 gldfish in a 10 gal with a whole lot of success... 30 gallons for 2 goldfish is crazy. :no:
 
that might be so, but i certainly kept 2 gldfish in a 10 gal with a whole lot of success... 30 gallons for 2 goldfish is crazy. :no:

Whats your definition of "success"? Did they reach atleast 6-8" (if they are commons, twice as big)? If not, you stunted them. Did they live 10-20 years? If not, you shortened their life span. Was ammonia and nitrite levels also 0, and nitrate levels low? If not, they were creating too much waste for a small tank like that to handle.
Have you even ever seen a full grown goldfish? They are huge, and you would have to have a sick mind to stick two of them in a 10 gallon and make them suffer.

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And that goldfish above is a fancytail, which is one of the SMALLER goldfish types (commons can grow twice as big).

Edit: Not that I'm suprised that this is coming from a person that keeps a blood parrot in a 10 gallon :no:
 
I agree my little tweety pie is massive not far of that one show in the pic he would of died of ammonia poisoning in a bowl if I did not give him the right enviroment to grow in and a good balanced diet.
 
It is kinda evil to keep gold fish in a small bowl.. they need freedom and space and they are very sociable fish with other goldfish.. I had to put that as I overhurd someone in my LFS today ask if a malawi Cichlid could go in with goldfish
 
What type of goldfish are they, sadly you been given bad info, as bowls are no good for goldfish they grow big, need room to move, and are very big waste producers.
First goldfish a 20gal tank, every other one add 10gal so for two goldfish you need a 30gal tank, with an excellent filter.

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=43980


Hello again, Thanks all for your comments. Once I see the goldfish growing a bit, I will be buying a bigger tank for them. These goldfish are only about 1.5" long. Would they move around a bit more is a larger tank was bought, or are these goldfish just LAZY!!. Thanks

Russ
 
I doubt they will grow as in a bowl they are just going to die of ammonia poisoning, sorry, they need the tank now, plus do you have a filter in the bowl.
 
Hello again, Thanks all for your comments. Once I see the goldfish growing a bit, I will be buying a bigger tank for them. These goldfish are only about 1.5" long. Would they move around a bit more is a larger tank was bought, or are these goldfish just LAZY!!. Thanks

I'm sorry, but the goldfish will not have a chance to grow; they will die in a bowl. Goldfish produce at least double the amount of waste as your standard tropical fish; it is the reason they need such large tanks and strong filtration. Furthermore, bowls are especially detrimental to goldfish because the shape and stagnation prevents proper water oxygenation. They have very high oxygenation needs, and prefer a current, which is probably why they are so lethargic; they are starved for air and thus unable to be active.

These are your son's fish, no? Wouldn't this be a perfect opprotunity to set an example for him by buying them at least 10g w/filter and bubbler for now (they'll need bigger later, but this will keep them alive while you save up for something more suitable)? You would show him that all animals, even fish, matter, and he sure will love seeing them dart around in a bigger, more enriching environment!

Ultimately, if these are commons, you will need a bigger tank even than a 10g down the road. I have two 7" commons who are only two years old. They produce so much waste that I've had to upgrade from a 30g to a 75g, which will hopefully be big enough for the entirety of thier lives. Goldfish should live a good 20 years or so; many have been on record to live much longer than that. By keeping them in small bowls that so stunt them that they suffer and die from painful ammonia poisoning and organ compression, you are doing them a grave dis-service, and setting a poor example. Please consider buying what these animals need to survive; pets are a responsibility, no matter what the species.
 
Well said I totally agree, the child will get upset watching them suffer in a bowl.
 
Hello again, Thanks all for your comments. Once I see the goldfish growing a bit, I will be buying a bigger tank for them. These goldfish are only about 1.5" long. Would they move around a bit more is a larger tank was bought, or are these goldfish just LAZY!!. Thanks

I'm sorry, but the goldfish will not have a chance to grow; they will die in a bowl. Goldfish produce at least double the amount of waste as your standard tropical fish; it is the reason they need such large tanks and strong filtration. Furthermore, bowls are especially detrimental to goldfish because the shape and stagnation prevents proper water oxygenation. They have very high oxygenation needs, and prefer a current, which is probably why they are so lethargic; they are starved for air and thus unable to be active.

These are your son's fish, no? Wouldn't this be a perfect opprotunity to set an example for him by buying them at least 10g w/filter and bubbler for now (they'll need bigger later, but this will keep them alive while you save up for something more suitable)? You would show him that all animals, even fish, matter, and he sure will love seeing them dart around in a bigger, more enriching environment!

Ultimately, if these are commons, you will need a bigger tank even than a 10g down the road. I have two 7" commons who are only two years old. They produce so much waste that I've had to upgrade from a 30g to a 75g, which will hopefully be big enough for the entirety of thier lives. Goldfish should live a good 20 years or so; many have been on record to live much longer than that. By keeping them in small bowls that so stunt them that they suffer and die from painful ammonia poisoning and organ compression, you are doing them a grave dis-service, and setting a poor example. Please consider buying what these animals need to survive; pets are a responsibility, no matter what the species.



Hello, Thanks for all of that. I am glad of your opinions, as this is the first time for goldfish keeping. I maybe did not mention it before but the bowl is about 15" diameter x 14" deep, but you are right I should get some type of filtration system for it. When I buy, lets say a 10g one, will that do until they start growing a little bit. I hope I am making sense. I look forward to your advice......


Russ
 
To be honest a 20gal won't cost you much more even a 30gal, then you are done.
But believe me they will suffer in that bowl, i keep goldfish and they are very messy fish, good luck.
 
Russ - glad to hear you are considering an upgrade. Basically, you have a few options right now. I would not suggest keeping them in the bowl any longer because of the issues with oxygenation, and the fact that it would be very hard to attach most conventional filters. However, when you get the tank, you have a few things to consider. A 10 gallon set-up will be sufficient for a short while, but is not a long-term solution. Commons grow very rapidly with the proper space and diet, so what will very probably happen is that you will spend at least $30-40 on a 10 gallon set-up (which would mean a tank, hood, filter, and bubbler), only to have to buy a 30g (minimum!) tank somewhere down the road. Now, I understand that it is a pain to have a giant tank for small fish, but financially, buying the final tank right off the bat is a better option. I know that AGA sells some value set-ups for relatively cheap. Even the 55g tank with filter, hood, etc. only costs $158 at Petsmart; that is a real value, because many filters alone for a tank that size cost at least that much! So, you could "shop around" at stores that carry the AGA Value tanks - Wallmart, Petsmart, Petco, and Pet Supplies Plus to name a few. I believe they come in 10, 29, and 55, all for very reasonable prices.

In short? You basically have the option of continually buying upgrades as the fish outgrow thier tanks - which in the mean time may stress the fish due to gradually building waste levels as they grow - or you could buy the final tank size and cope with a very empty looking tank with two very little fish in it for the year or so it'll take them to start getting massive. Depending on your priorities - space economy v. financial economy - you should know what will work better for you overall. I personally wish I'd just gone ahead and bought the 75g for my goldfish; I started out with a 5g :crazy: for about $29 (well, they were technically my mom's back then), then had to pay about $75 for a 30g setup, and now have paid an embarassing amount of money for a 75g setup! If I had just bought, say, that AGA 55g for $158 to start with, I'd have a lot more money and much fewer problems along the way.

So, have I scared you enough about goldfish husbandry yet? :lol:

You know, another option if you are not able to afford or accomodate such large tanks would be to explain to your son why goldfish aren't right for your family and return them to the store, stressing to him the importance of why researching a species before buying it is important, and why it is right to surrender a pet you can not care for. Then, you could get a small set-up and get a fish like a betta; kids love bettas because they come in fun colors and have plenty of "attitude." You could get a Minibow 5 at Wallmart for I think around $30, which comes with a hood, light, and filter (not to mention fun colors that children adore), purchase a Junior heater for $9.99 (also at Walmart), and have a fish that will never need a tank upgrade that is still fairly hardy like a goldfish. For more info on bettas, check out the FAQ on the betta board.

I hope this has been helpful! Thanks for coming here to get more info on fishkeeping.
 

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