Fo Ideas

[Paul_MTS]

I'ved got my moray tank up and running with some live rock being added tomorrow.

it's 40x30x20 witha MCE600 deltec skimmer being filtered by a Eheim Pro 3 2080.

It will deffinately have a zebra moray and hopefully a snowflake moray aswell.

i'ved been thinking of either a clown or blue throat trigger as a tank mate, but wondering if theres anything else i could do instead?

maybe a large shoal of something?

Or lots of difference varities of something else??

 

[Navarre]

A nice shoal of Chromis is quite stunning. they look drab but as a shoal they are quite spectacular.

perhaps a tang... maybe a yellow eye tang?


maybe a Majestic angel? Or possible a small shoal of anthias.

 

[Paul_MTS]

ooo a large shoal of bicolour chromis would look nice. i know zebra morays are known for being nice and friendly but surely even the smallest of predactors would be tempted by lots of litle snacks swimming aorund it's head?

yeh the angel and tang are very nice, what kind of size do they get to, found alot of sites differing..?

not sure if i like the anthias or not.

 

[Paul_MTS]

another thought is there anytype of lionfish or scorpian fish I could keep in there?

there's quite a few nice looking fish I'ved seen on here- http/www.justmarine.co.uk/merchant.mvc?S...ory_Code=MF_LIO

if there enough space for more than 1 large free swimming fish?

 

[CFC]

That tiger snake eel would be a definate if it were my tank and the sargasum (frog fish) is a amazing predator.

 

[Navarre]

Be careful with liofish and morays. The ones you want ot keep seemto be pretty placid species when compared to the others. Morays are very well trained in the art of killing lionfish, they have learnt to attack then from underneath and disembowl them leaving the nasty spines as toothpicks Probably wouldnot happen in your tank as the morays you want will be well fed and wont be so desperate to attack a lion.

 

[Paul_MTS]

i prefer the banded snake eel really, sure one on my enfield trip and looked stunning. Don't think i could get away with 3 eels in 1 tank though, as really want the snowflake having such stunning colours.

Yes, i read somewhere than lionfish = moray snacks, i was assuming that was for the bigger morays though.

I guess I would need a deeper substrate but would I be able to house the sargasum fish, gotta love predactors!!

And if I did have a lion it would have to be a dwarf species right?

cheers.

 

[Navarre]

Just remember that the fish you are i ntending to keep are very high waste producers and thus you will never get as many fish in the tank as a reef setup with fish that are less messy etc with there food.

 

[CFC]

Echidna species such as the ones paul has should be fine with any fish that are more than a mouthfull, these are cheifly mollusc and crustacean eaters and their jaws are designed for crushing shells not disembowling large fish. Gymnothorax and Muraena species are the ones to avoid, these have pronounced teeth which are designed for ripping and tearing flesh, i have had first hand experience of this when a Gymnothorax afer filleted one side off a columbian shark cat for his breakfast.

 

[Paul_MTS]

Oh yes, I haven't forgotten about the waste predactory fish will produce, although I am very well filtered so hope to push the boudaries slightly.

done a bit of research and none of those fish in the list get very big so may have to look further into the sargassum or stone fish.

possible when i got to enfield again in a few weeks time i may have to get the banded snake eel aswell

 

[Paul_MTS]

ok so plans so far are...

the morays!

sargassum trigger
sargassum fish
long nosed butterfly

and is there a type of fish that likes bristle worms? I'm getting some free live rock tomorrow night which is apparently infested with bristle worms.

 

[superman]

ok so plans so far are...

the morays!

sargassum trigger
sargassum fish
long nosed butterfly

and is there a type of fish that likes bristle worms? I'm getting some free live rock tomorrow night which is apparently infested with bristle worms.

Just saw this thread, don't want to step on any toes, but I respectfully want to weigh in. I do think that the territorial requirements of some of these fish will be a bit strained in your tank (about 100 gallons US correct, or did I miscalculate?) Depending on what fish you do end up keeping, a couple of morays, trigger, longnose butterfly...it could be a bit crowded in your tank.
As far as bioload, of course you can be very aggressive about filtration, so that is not a big worry. I might suggest a "deep sandbed in a bucket" it woud work wonders on a tank of this size with the large bioload, and extremely inexpensive to set up. I can ellaborate if you are interested.

 

[Navarre]

Wrasses are good for bristelworms.

Dont worry however, bristleworms are not the nasty critters that many hobbiests try and lebel them.

As for the waste products on these fish. Whilst it is right that these fish are not as messy in feeding and thuus lower on waste products it doesnt simply end there. Partly my fault i do admit as i did mention the wazte and linked it with their eating habits. However, tangs are very high waste producers and they just eat algae. The reason for this is the size of the fish and the ammount of ammonia it produces when breathing.

Lions and large fish like this may not eat every day yet they will still create huge volumes of ammonia through their gills. Saltwater fish constantly breath out extermly concentrated ammonia through their gills, large fish and fish with fast respitary systems like tangs produce far more ammonia regardless of eating habits when compared to other fish.

A DSB in a header tank or bucket is great for dealing with such scenarios.

 

[Paul_MTS]

I'ved got the rock now and boy did they have a bristle worm prob!

I'ved removed about 15 quite large ones, my moray aint too happy at the moment as I'ved just shuffled his whole tank around to fit this rock in, there was about 20kg worth, lots of algaes growing on it, the type you put in sumps!

There's also 2 nems in there, i'll post up some pictures later.