Flubenol 15

[SNAIL]

Here is a couple of links to the product Flubenol 15.
I would suggest you read it and take it in as you please.

http/www.flubenol.co.uk/extra%20info.htm

http/www.flubenol.co.uk/

 

[three-fingers]

Do you produce/sell flubenol 15?

 

[SNAIL]

three-fingers,

No I don't. I read this in a couple of threads that Underwurlde kept suggesting. I thought people should take a look at it. I don't believe in such products. My tank setup is based on a natural biological cycle. I have never used products like this, never had any major algae problems, never had any snail problems and never had any fish disease. Tank is 90% planted. I have a snail as part of the cleaning crew and I do cultivate algae as a food source for the cleaning crew and to give the tank a natural look. Tank is a little over 4 years old.

After reading through the links I have pasted above, my first impression was: "I smell something fishy!"
I will be doing some digging as to what the true active ingredients are. I guess I should have worded the topic a lot better. If the moderator can edit it to something like Flubenol 15, what do you think?) it would be nice.
My wife is a pharmacist and a friend of ours is a chemist so I hope I can get detailed info on it.

I hope that others that have seen this will post what they think, experiences like Underwurlde has and other comments.
Hope all in the forum will benefit from this one way or another.

 

[paulf]

The active ingredient is flubendazole at 15%........

 

[JamesC]

Flubenol 15 has been used for ages to deworm discus with no problems. I believe the stated levels are actually very low and could if wanted be dosed many times higher with no adverse effects.

So what do you do if you buy wild discus? Let them suffer with worms or safely treat it with a proven dewormer. Do you dechlorinate your water before water changes? This is adding chemicals. What about medicines and fertilisers? They are all chemicals.

Just my 2p worth
James

 

[chr15_8]

im going to be getting this to try it out (hopefuly within the next week)

 

[Underwurlde]

Hi Snail,

After reading through the links I have pasted above, my first impression was: "I smell something fishy!"

Firstly can I ask, why you say this?

From my point of view, I do not recommend this product lightly. In my search for a safe 'remedy' (for want of a better word) to rid my tank of pest snails (Physa Acuta) a fellow member recommended this product. After researching this product and discussing its safe use with the seller, and though thread searches on this & other web forums I concluded that it was far, far safer and seemingly more effictive than any of the commercial copper-based products. (I consider copper an accumulative poision and thus not something I wanted in my tank espcially considering the fact that I have shrimp). Once happy with the use of this medecine, a side effect of which is to kill snails I then formualted a dosing regeme that proved very sucessful.

Where possible I attempt to at least research, discuss, experiement, and test any methods or products and IF and only IF I (with the help & advice of others) then determine the results SAFE and effecive will I then share my recommendations & finding to others. This is the least that I can do in my mind.

Regards,

Andy

PS
I am not affiliated with, nor do I profit from the sale of, 'Flubenol 15' or any other associated product.

 

[paulf]

Any news on the digging up of the ingredients SNAIL?

 

[SNAIL]

Hello eveyone,

Paulf, I have just started looking into it. I have no comments at this time but here is a link to its chemical formula and the study taken on it.

To all: Please read at your discretion as experiments were conducted on live animals. Some words may be offensive:

http/www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v31je02.htm

JamesC, I agree with you. Everything around us and including ourselves are chemicals (Biological chemicals or a combination of chemicals of elements) Chemistry 101

Underwurlde, Just a little humour. If I have offended anyone, my apologies. Flubenole 15 is just too good to be true.
Wouldn't anybody be suspicious after reading such positive words on a product from a companys' own website. Any given company will only point positive things about their products because they need to sell. Negative things are printed so small you could hardly read them. I am sure you have done your studies and all and have experience on it first hand. It seems to work but for the long term and the individual elements effects are some things I question. There is a lot to chemistry and to try and explain it would be just too much. It will post my findings on a point by point format hopefully soon.

Underwurlde, I assume you think I was talking about you. Not at all. I was talking about the company. This is a forum to share info and experiences and you are doing that, so don't take things too personally. My apologies to you Underwurlde. I will word more carefully. We look up to you for info and advice too as you are very knowlegable. I look forward to seeing more of your great ideas.

 

[Underwurlde]

SNAIL,

Hello again. Although mentioned in passing by name I did not take it personally: absolutely no offence taken! - you are correct, I do recommend this product and am happy to stand by my recommendations because, like I said, I have researched it somewhat, with the help of others. Indeed I welcome your proposition as I hope it may lend credence to my belief in what I recommend. If not, then so be it - we all learn & progress ideas and techniques & this should be encouraged: I have spent my whole career necessarily being open-minded & soaking up knowledge like a sponge.

Wouldn't anybody be suspicious after reading such positive words on a product from a companys' own website. Any given company will only point positive things about their products because they need to sell. Negative things are printed so small you could hardly read them.

Yes, I see where you're coming from: I am the same. I took a different approach by searching for this product within web forums to see how others got on with it and then by asking them directly and hence discussing its use through a series of lengthy, informative (and more importantly polite) e-mails as to how I could use it for pest snails.

Andy

 

[paulf]

Interesting reading and glad to see its good stuff, but I didn't see any reference to fish on there

If you read the site correctly, it does point out the downside to the medicine, it kills inverts

As the product was developed and tested for aquatic use and is approved for use by the VMD and sold under the small animal exhemption scheme (all of which Is stated on the webite you linked to at the top) if there were any side effects/negative points, they would be listed on the instructions next to the point where it says it kills inverts as it is sold under special conditions as it mentioned on the link above to the small animal exhemption scheme

I have spent my whole career necessarily being open-minded & soaking up knowledge like a sponge.

I dont mean to be rude, but you don't come across open minded looking at your posts above and your appology for being rude is accepted

The way flubenol works is a by interfering with the recepters of invertebrates, it is not toxic, therefore it stops the parasite from being able to utilise certain nutrients thereby starving them to death.

Have you emailed the owner of the site to ask for more info? as I would have thought that would have been your best start rather than deliberatly trying to find faults in the product just because you can't beleive its not toxic to fish

 

[ulster exile]

Interesting reading and glad to see its good stuff, but I didn't see any reference to fish on there

If you read the site correctly, it does point out the downside to the medicine, it kills inverts

As the product was developed and tested for aquatic use and is approved for use by the VMD and sold under the small animal exhemption scheme (all of which Is stated on the webite you linked to at the top) if there were any side effects/negative points, they would be listed on the instructions next to the point where it says it kills inverts as it is sold under special conditions as it mentioned on the link above to the small animal exhemption scheme

I have spent my whole career necessarily being open-minded & soaking up knowledge like a sponge.

I dont mean to be rude, but you don't come across open minded looking at your posts above and your appology for being rude is accepted

The way flubenol works is a by interfering with the recepters of invertebrates, it is not toxic, therefore it stops the parasite from being able to utilise certain nutrients thereby starving them to death.

Have you emailed the owner of the site to ask for more info? as I would have thought that would have been your best start rather than deliberatly trying to find faults in the product just because you can't beleive its not toxic to fish

Interesting

 

[paulf]

I wasn't actually going to say anything as I wanted to see what you would post, but as quite a lot of people on here know and some one is going to point out soon, thats my site at the top of this thread
If you want to know something and its not on the site, just ask

 

[Underwurlde]

Just wanted to add that with regards to this product effecting inverts: During my tests I continually dosed, over a period of 5 weeks 'Flubenol 15' and it seemingly had absolutely no effect on my shrimp (Japonicas). I think it may be safe with them as not only I have found this to be the case.

Andy

 

[SNAIL]

Paulf, I am totally in shock and embarassed.
I am sorry too!. My intention was not to delibertly find faults in the product, but to hear from others who have used it. I was merely speculating to myself and voiced it out openly.
Again, I apologize.