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Webmoose

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Hi All,
Brand new to the wonderful world of tropical fish.
I've just bought myself a Fluval Edge with a heater to enable to to keep tropical rather than just cold water.
Its had its cycle etc and I've been slowly introducing fish.
First - 6 Neon Tetra
Second - (Siamese Fighting Fish) Betta
Third - 6 Zebra danios

I'm not planning to add much more but I'd like to get a bit more colour in there or something with a different shape (danio's and tetra's are fairly standard!)

The tank is 23L so not massive but am told it can take up to 20 fish depending on their size but not really planning on going quite that far.

Any suggestions as to what I can add to give more colour or structure that will get on ok with my current fish?

Thanks
Webmoose
 
firstly hello and welcome, i'm sorry to tell you but the tank is over stocked as it is. Also you may find the Betta and the danio's fighting in the future. Also the Neons may nip the Betta to bits. You may have a disaster in that tank. Twenty fish in a Fluval Edge is waaaaaaaaay to many, don't tell us the LFS said you could get that amount in?
 
firstly hello and welcome, i'm sorry to tell you but the tank is over stocked as it is. Also you may find the Betta and the danio's fighting in the future. Also the Neons may nip the Betta to bits. You may have a disaster in that tank. Twenty fish in a Fluval Edge is waaaaaaaaay to many, don't tell us the LFS said you could get that amount in?
 
Hi there - thanks for your reply.
Oh dear - on several counts.
The supplier said up to 20 fish would be fine in the Edge!! I'll have to give him a ticking off.

Since posting yesterday I've found my Betta to be a bit of a bully!
2 of my Neon Tetra's have had their tail fins nipped and one of the Zebra Danio's has had the same.

I found that they are all fine with the lights on, but switch it off and the Betta goes on the hunt!

He's being re-homed this afternoon before he commits murder - back to the Aquarium

Any advise on the nipped fin problem? Will they grow back or are they destined to live the rest of their days finless?

Webmoose
 
Fins will regrow if water conditions are right. So you say it's cycled... So they should regrow. See if you can get some melafix though. It'll speed it up.
 
Hi All,
Brand new to the wonderful world of tropical fish.
I've just bought myself a Fluval Edge with a heater to enable to to keep tropical rather than just cold water.
Its had its cycle etc and I've been slowly introducing fish.
First - 6 Neon Tetra
Second - (Siamese Fighting Fish) Betta
Third - 6 Zebra danios

I'm not planning to add much more but I'd like to get a bit more colour in there or something with a different shape (danio's and tetra's are fairly standard!)

The tank is 23L so not massive but am told it can take up to 20 fish depending on their size but not really planning on going quite that far.

Any suggestions as to what I can add to give more colour or structure that will get on ok with my current fish?

Thanks

hi 20 fish is too many and you tank now is over stocked by alot
you are limited on what fish you can have due to the size of the tank you have.
melafix should heal the nipped fins in time just make sure your water is good.
personally i would only have 1 betta in there.
take a look at this calculator
http://www.aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTankName=juwel+180&AquListBoxTank=Choose&AquTankLength=40&AquTankDepth=16&AquTankHeight=20&AquListBoxFilter=Hagen+Fluval+305&AquTextFilterRate=70+&AquListBoxF


Webmoose
 
Fins will regrow if water conditions are right. So you say it's cycled... So they should regrow. See if you can get some melafix though. It'll speed it up.

Thanks very much.
Yes, the tank is cycled and water tests come out well.
Betta has now been returned to the Aquarium where he came from.
They were very helpful, gave me a refund and some Melafix and some good instruction.

many thanks to all - glad I signed up for this site!

Webmoose
 
Hi All,
Brand new to the wonderful world of tropical fish.
I've just bought myself a Fluval Edge with a heater to enable to to keep tropical rather than just cold water.
Its had its cycle etc and I've been slowly introducing fish.
First - 6 Neon Tetra
Second - (Siamese Fighting Fish) Betta
Third - 6 Zebra danios

I'm not planning to add much more but I'd like to get a bit more colour in there or something with a different shape (danio's and tetra's are fairly standard!)

The tank is 23L so not massive but am told it can take up to 20 fish depending on their size but not really planning on going quite that far.

Any suggestions as to what I can add to give more colour or structure that will get on ok with my current fish?

Thanks
Webmoose

Heya,

Sorry to say but you are already hugely overstocked for such a small tank. As the others have pointed out, what we recommend as a sensible stock level based on the innumerable factors of each tank and what a fish store recommends is often very different.

Fish stores tend to be about one thing - making money - and I have direct experience of a company that while considered fairly knowledgeable will happily create policies that mean the staff just can't recommend what is best for your fish, even if they know what you should be doing. Even when they are well meaning and seemingly knowledgeable, the staff can be very stuck in their ways and may not be keeping up with the new developments in fishkeeping, especially the information relating to chemicals found in the water and the impact their environment has on fish, aquatic amphibians and inverts.

The Fluval Edge, due to it's small size and very small surface area exposed to the air, is a tank that needs to be stocked lightly with small fish.

In the long term I would even say your neon tetras will need a larger tank. When full grown they can reach 1.5 inches and are pretty active little things. This, combined with their need to shoal, means they really shouldn't be kept in much less than 40 litres. I keep my 7 in a 65 litre tank and they sure make use of the space!

The danios are also not suitable for the tank. Unfortunately they are one of those fish that is cheap to supply and regarded as hardy so despite a highly active nature and adult size of 2-2.5 inches, they are often recommended for small, beginner tanks. Poor things are often drawing the short straw!

Hopefully by the time they are starting to put some size on (i.e by the time they are about 1-1.25 inches, you'll have been bitten by the bug and will be getting a bigger tank anyway! If you can't see yourself upgrading to at least a 24"/2 foot tank in the near future, they would be best off being rehomed.

In the Fluval Edge, I generally recommend the following for an active tank with loads of colour:

6 x microrasbora or "micro tetra" - these little guys come in many colourful species and you can find them as small as 0.5 inches. A max size I would suggest, shoaling fish wise, would be 0.8-1 inch adult size. Some species to consider are galaxy rasboras (A.K.A celestial pearl danios), chilli rasboras, ember tetras and green neon tetras.

10 x small shrimp - again, many species to choose from in everything from ghostly and translucent to blues, blacks and reds. Pick all the same species as they have the same commuity needs as shoaling fish. 10 is a good starter number (to be added once the tank is fully matured) and you could even creep up to 15 or 20 if you find a nice, small species. I really like red cherry shrimp!

If you get your tank matured and all the fish are thriving (so I would say after 6 months or so), you could consider pushing the stock up a tiny bit more with a male scarlet badis. Very pretty little fish!

The great thing about these suggestions is they all stay tiny - even smaller than neon tetras - and will thrive in the more limited space in a way even "normal" tetras and other supposedly small fish won't.

There are other fish that are suited to the tank, even the much larger betta splendens (A.K.A siamese fighting fish) so if you would like any other stocking suggestions (including some more unusual stuff), just ask!
 
Hi All,
Brand new to the wonderful world of tropical fish.
I've just bought myself a Fluval Edge with a heater to enable to to keep tropical rather than just cold water.
Its had its cycle etc and I've been slowly introducing fish.
First - 6 Neon Tetra
Second - (Siamese Fighting Fish) Betta
Third - 6 Zebra danios

I'm not planning to add much more but I'd like to get a bit more colour in there or something with a different shape (danio's and tetra's are fairly standard!)

The tank is 23L so not massive but am told it can take up to 20 fish depending on their size but not really planning on going quite that far.

Any suggestions as to what I can add to give more colour or structure that will get on ok with my current fish?

Thanks
Webmoose

Heya,

Sorry to say but you are already hugely overstocked for such a small tank. As the others have pointed out, what we recommend as a sensible stock level based on the innumerable factors of each tank and what a fish store recommends is often very different.

Fish stores tend to be about one thing - making money - and I have direct experience of a company that while considered fairly knowledgeable will happily create policies that mean the staff just can't recommend what is best for your fish, even if they know what you should be doing. Even when they are well meaning and seemingly knowledgeable, the staff can be very stuck in their ways and may not be keeping up with the new developments in fishkeeping, especially the information relating to chemicals found in the water and the impact their environment has on fish, aquatic amphibians and inverts.

The Fluval Edge, due to it's small size and very small surface area exposed to the air, is a tank that needs to be stocked lightly with small fish.

In the long term I would even say your neon tetras will need a larger tank. When full grown they can reach 1.5 inches and are pretty active little things. This, combined with their need to shoal, means they really shouldn't be kept in much less than 40 litres. I keep my 7 in a 65 litre tank and they sure make use of the space!

The danios are also not suitable for the tank. Unfortunately they are one of those fish that is cheap to supply and regarded as hardy so despite a highly active nature and adult size of 2-2.5 inches, they are often recommended for small, beginner tanks. Poor things are often drawing the short straw!

Hopefully by the time they are starting to put some size on (i.e by the time they are about 1-1.25 inches, you'll have been bitten by the bug and will be getting a bigger tank anyway! If you can't see yourself upgrading to at least a 24"/2 foot tank in the near future, they would be best off being rehomed.

In the Fluval Edge, I generally recommend the following for an active tank with loads of colour:

6 x microrasbora or "micro tetra" - these little guys come in many colourful species and you can find them as small as 0.5 inches. A max size I would suggest, shoaling fish wise, would be 0.8-1 inch adult size. Some species to consider are galaxy rasboras (A.K.A celestial pearl danios), chilli rasboras, ember tetras and green neon tetras.

10 x small shrimp - again, many species to choose from in everything from ghostly and translucent to blues, blacks and reds. Pick all the same species as they have the same commuity needs as shoaling fish. 10 is a good starter number (to be added once the tank is fully matured) and you could even creep up to 15 or 20 if you find a nice, small species. I really like red cherry shrimp!

If you get your tank matured and all the fish are thriving (so I would say after 6 months or so), you could consider pushing the stock up a tiny bit more with a male scarlet badis. Very pretty little fish!

The great thing about these suggestions is they all stay tiny - even smaller than neon tetras - and will thrive in the more limited space in a way even "normal" tetras and other supposedly small fish won't.

There are other fish that are suited to the tank, even the much larger betta splendens (A.K.A siamese fighting fish) so if you would like any other stocking suggestions (including some more unusual stuff), just ask!
 
Thanks so much for the advise.
I have to say, after having my cold water tank (for some years now) and a healthy pond in the garden that keeps itself well stocked I would be thinking about upgrading in the future.
For now, I'm happy with my Edge - its a great little tank and a great way to start off into the world of Tropical.
I always thought it would be hard but from my (extensive) reading on the internet as long as you follow the rules and a bit of common sense I think its going to be good.
For now I'll stick with the Edge until I'm happy that I can care for them properly.
As for Betta's, I've just taken one back as he was terrorising the rest of the tank - If you've not read the whole thread you will see that I'm now treating my remaining fish for nipped fins!
Perhaps when I upgrade I'll have another betta in the Edge on his own.

Thanks for your suggestions for stocking. I'll stick with what I have for the moment and when they get bigger I'll look to re-home.
So glad I found this forum!

many thanks
Webmoose
 
Thanks so much for the advise.
I have to say, after having my cold water tank (for some years now) and a healthy pond in the garden that keeps itself well stocked I would be thinking about upgrading in the future.
For now, I'm happy with my Edge - its a great little tank and a great way to start off into the world of Tropical.
I always thought it would be hard but from my (extensive) reading on the internet as long as you follow the rules and a bit of common sense I think its going to be good.
For now I'll stick with the Edge until I'm happy that I can care for them properly.
As for Betta's, I've just taken one back as he was terrorising the rest of the tank - If you've not read the whole thread you will see that I'm now treating my remaining fish for nipped fins!
Perhaps when I upgrade I'll have another betta in the Edge on his own.

Thanks for your suggestions for stocking. I'll stick with what I have for the moment and when they get bigger I'll look to re-home.
So glad I found this forum!

many thanks
Webmoose

Heya,

It's good that you're reading around the subject =) don't underestimate the extent to which a constricted environment will affect your fish, though, especially the danios. Just keep an eye on their size and be prepared to upgrade when they need to.

I wouldn't advise you put a betta in that tank with your current stock, don't worry. It would probably have been better in the long term to keep him and take the shoaling fish back but as long as all the little guys get the space they need in the future there isn't a problem.

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