Final battle against bga

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houndour

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today I am starting the 5 day course of maracyn.

Should I dose EI straight away too?

Zig, you mentioned you would help me.

After a water change I'm expecting my nitrates to go from 20 to 10-15ppm. Should I dose 10ppm immediately?

Also should I do a 50% water change after the 5th day, or wait until next Sunday?

I don't want to risk removing the maracyn that might be still working.
 
Im probably a bit late here you probably have this done allready.

I would fertilise as normal but up the KNO3 element of the nitrates and not depend so much on the organic nitrates from the fish waste.

If it was me i would probably do a bigger water change to reduce the organic nitrates a little further, i would probably do 60% weekly water changes instead of 50% this will bring you down to about 10ppm nitrates and then i would add 10ppm KNO3 on top of this.

But i wouldnt worry about this if you have done the water change allready, i would just add 10ppm KNO3 regardless.

During the week i would add at least another 5ppm KNO3 to keep things topped up and if the uptake rate was higher add more KNO3, but i think that amount should be ok and will balance out the organic nitrate.

The important thing is to add the inorganic KNO3 as this reduces your chance of algae.

In low tech low light tanks the fishwaste and fish food is enough to provide the plants with the nutrients they require but in highlight tanks you need to top this up with inorganic nutrients.

A couple of quotes from Tom Barr the EI guru on this particular subject.

As you increase the lighting, you must also increase the CO2 and thus the nutrients in inorganic forms(non NH4 based fertilizers).

As you increase the turnover, lighting and growth rate of a planted tank, you must also reduce the amount of organic matter in the substrate(messy and has NH4+ high light = algae)

He was talking about the difference between low tech and high tech tanks as you increased the lighting you must also increase the nutrients in inorganic forms (KNO3,PO4 etc the stuff we add) and not to rely on NH4 based fertilisers ie. fish food or fish waste (the NH4 is ammonium, a by product of fish waste which can induce algae)

In the second quote (both from the same passage btw) he talks about trying to reduce the waste material in the substrate in order to reduce nitrates particularily, so a regular gravel vac would be a very good idea as well if you have a tank that is produceing high levels of organic waste which will in time turn into nitrates.

Anyway the point is not to rely on the fish waste alone, you must try and remove the extra nitrate by water changes and regular maintainence of the substrate, but thankfully your nitrate problem is very manageable with the above measures and alls you have to do is add KNO3 on a regular basis to top off what allready exists in the tank.

On the last point i would also wait until next sunday to do a water change i wouldnt be in any hurry to get rid of the maracyn to early in case it is of benifit and still working, unless of course it specifically tells you in the instructions to do so.

Anyway Sam i really hope this is it and the bga will be no more and your tank can return to normal, i will have my fingers crossed that it will work, im sure it will.

I hope the above makes a bit of sense, if you are not sure on anything just ask.................best of luck with it.
 
Thanks Zig. Something came up today unfortunately and I didnt have time to do the water change. So it's going to have to be Monday night.

It makes so much more sense to me now. Fingers crossed it works. I dont actually have any instructions for the maracyn...just what other people have said and thats 200mg per 10 gall. So I'm going to dose 400mg every day for 5 days. It's worked so far in the 5 gallon and hasnt come back yet. But I have to admit I overdosed on it in the 5 gallon cos I didnt have any fish!

Sorry if I'm being dense...should I dose Fe and micros as normal? And phosphates?
 
Yep i would dose everything as normal with the added KNO3, i have never used the maracyn i presume you do the dosing routine with the lights on in the tank as normal, or is it done with lights off, i dont know.

I was just thinking there and came back into the forum to add an edit to my origional reply..........you could always add some sort of floating plant to your tank these are usually very good nitrate removers as most of them grow fast and it would help to provide nutrient export from your tank and keep the parameters good and in turn enable you to add a little more KNO3, anyway just an idea, you could let them grow and chuck what you dont need every couple of weeks or so.
 
I successfully used the Erythomycine method only a couple of weeks ago on my 64 gallon tank. I followed the instructions given by George.

Before I tried to lower the light and increase KNO3, lowering lighting period etc. It didnt work until I was able to clean the substrate very thoroughly, in my case it seemed to be the key.

Now I went away for five days with normal lights and everything and the tank was very clean when I came back.
 
zig said:
Yep i would dose everything as normal with the added KNO3, i have never used the maracyn i presume you do the dosing routine with the lights on in the tank as normal, or is it done with lights off, i dont know.

I was just thinking there and came back into the forum to add an edit to my origional reply..........you could always add some sort of floating plant to your tank these are usually very good nitrate removers as most of them grow fast and it would help to provide nutrient export from your tank and keep the parameters good and in turn enable you to add a little more KNO3, anyway just an idea, you could let them grow and chuck what you dont need every couple of weeks or so.
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I'd be too scared to add floating plants as after the bit between sand and glass, the bga next smothered bits of riccia that I had floating and the vallis that was at the surface.
 
This morning (day 5 of maracyn dosing) the bga is still visible in fairly large quantities. At this stage of dosing the 5 gallon the bga was pretty much dead.

It definitely looks like an improvement. Just not quite there. I have the last dose to give tonight. But I'm worried if I stop it wont kill it all then it'll come back and then it'll be harder to kill with maracyn again.

But I don't want to overdose either.

The day I started I cleaned as much bga as I could, but within a day it returned (same as the 5 gallon) and spread all over substrate and plants. Today there's only a tiny bit on the substrate and even that looks dark green (looks like its dying). But the bga on the plants is still there. but again, a darker green.

I'm just panicking. Dont want to have to redo it all. Although it's perfect timing as I have 2 weeks off.

I'm just tempted to add a 6th day of dosing. But dont know if its worth the risk. i wouldnt forgive myself if i killed all my fish.
 

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