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Hi all
How Do you Breed the Following

Kribs
Rams
Flags Cichlids
Lion Heads / Block Heads

Any info will do :D
Thank you in advanced

619 fish god
 
Breeding: A common way to differentiate males from females is to look at their dorsal fin. The third ray of the dorsal fin is more developped in males than females. Females also have a more pinkish belly than males. This species is difficult to breed because they are such lousy parents, which is quite surprising for a dwarf cichlid species.
Optimal conditions for breeding Rams will be as follow: Ph would be approx. 7.0, temperature 86F and the tank will have to be very clean with flat rocks and sand substrat. Rams usually breed on flat stones, leaves or even openly on the substrat.
Two females for a male is a good ratio while trying to breed them. If the conditions are optimum, the females will spawn every 2 to 3 weeks, releasing between 150 to 400 eggs every time. The male fertilizes the eggs as the female spawns. Because Rams are such poor parents, they usually don't guard their eggs and sometimes even eat them. If kept in good water conditions, the eggs will hatch in 2 days and it takes approximately 6 days for the fry to absorb the yolk sac. When the fry becomes free swimming, start feeding it baby brine shrimps. Frequent water change is a must to raise the fry properly.

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Blue rams (and their gold-coloured variants) are among some of the more beautiful fish available to aquatic hobbyists, so it should be no surprise that there is a good commercial demand for them. The catch is that rams are not good beginner fish. They are not easy to keep, and can be difficult to breed.

Rams require very soft water for breeding. The pH level is not critical in my experience; hardness is much more of a factor to pay attention to. To spur spawning, a conductivity level of approximately 50-250 US (hardness 25-125ppm) is ideal, though some captive specimens may spawn at a slightly higher TDS.

Temperature for spawning rams should be in the low 80s. Too much higher than this and the fish will be adversely affected. I've found 80-82 to be an ideal breeding temperature. Spawning can sometimes be induced in finicky pairs by a water change with slightly cooler water. This simulates the rainy season and will indicate to the fish that it is the season for spawning.

Rams are sexually mature at about an inch. They don't grow very large (3 inches maximum), and therefore can mate rather young.

The breeding tank can consist of as small a tank as ten gallons. Fifteen or twenty gallons would be preferred, but rams are not overly aggressive cichlids, even during spawning. I've achieved spawning in a twenty-gallon high tank with a variety of blue rams, Bolivian rams and Apistogramma species. Rams will search for a preferred spawning spot, ideally a flat piece of slate or rock on the bottom of the tank. In a pinch, they may also lay the eggs on the inside of a flowerpot, the bottom of the tank, or just about any flat surface that is available. Both male and female will take turns guarding the eggs.

Soft water is critical for proper egg development. Water that is harder has a lower osmotic pressure, compared to the inside of the eggs. Water will not flow into the eggs and properly harden them, causing the eggs to turn white and possibly fungus. I normally hatch out eggs in straight RO water, with hardness around 5-10ppm.

As with most cichlids, young rams often make bad parents. If you were trying to raise and sell rams, it would be ideal to remove the eggs after fertilization. A quart mason jar works well for hatching out the eggs. If the eggs were laid on a stone or piece of slate, this can be placed into the water in the jar for hatching. If the eggs have been laid elsewhere, they can gently be removed and placed inside the jar. A piece of airline tubing in the jar will keep enough water flow over the eggs to keep them properly aerated. Too strong of a flow may dislodge the eggs, but a steady stream of bubbles should suffice. A slight roil at the water's surface is good.

Keeping the eggs from getting fungus is one of the crucial parts of hatching out any fish eggs. Rams are no exception. There are many different options for warding off fungus, including methelyne blue, acriflavin and formalin, just to name a few. If these methods are used, simply follow the directions on the bottle. Methelyne blue simply shades the water, since fungus requires light to grow. The others are true fungicides and will kill fungus directly. I have been using a new product to keep eggs form fungusing, and have had excellent results with both angelfish and rams: hydrogen peroxide.

Peroxide is a strong oxidizing agent that serves multiple purposes. It is both anti-bacterial and anti-fungal. After a short while, it breaks down into its base components: oxygen and water. This helps add oxygen to the water for the eggs. It also requires no diluting afterwards. It is, quite simply, the most perfect assistant to egg hatching I have found to date.

The hydrogen peroxide used is the common type you find in most grocery stores and pharmacies. It is a 3% strength solution. It can be used at a rate of approximately 1 ml per gallon. In a small container such as a one-quart mason jar, I use it at a rate of ten drops per jar. Dosage should be repeated every 12 hours or so until the eggs have begun to hatch. At this point, if everything looks fine, you can simply discontinue dosing.

At 75-80 degrees, the eggs should hatch in about 3 days, and be free-swimming by the fifth or sixth day. Lower temperatures will slow down the process while higher temperatures will decrease hatching time. Eggs should be hatched at 70-85 degrees. Extremes should be avoided.

Ram fry are very tiny. Their mouths are too small to accept newly hatched brine shrimp, so an alternative is warranted. A small percentage may be able to eat baby brine shrimp immediately, but the number is very small. Infusoria and other tiny particles can be used, but I've found that the best first food for rams are microworms and vinegar eels. Both are tiny nematodes that can survive in the water column for a day to a week, keeping the water clean. After approximately a week, baby brine shrimp should be added to the diet, as most of the rams will be large enough to eat them at this point. The foods should be mixed for a few days until it is obvious all the fry are eating the brine shrimp. This should be easy to note by the bright orange color of their bellies.

Rams are a slow-growing fish. Water changes and frequent feedings should increase their growth rate dramatically. Keeping the fry in the mason jar for the first two weeks or so may require more frequent water changes, but also allows you to keep the food ratio high so they can eat constantly. Besides, it doesn't take much to change out a half quart of water twice a day.

Cleaning the jar can be somewhat difficult, as the rams are not strong swimmers at this point and will easily get sucked into the siphon. I use a small piece of rigid airline tubing attached to some flexible tubing as a tiny siphon. Covering the tip with some stocking material or a couple layers of veil material will keep most of the fry from getting sucked into the siphon. Keep a close eye on the end of the siphon tube, if any fry get stuck, simply plug the other end with your thumb and they should be able to swim free. Be aware though, there are going to be some that get stuck and killed. It is almost inevitable. Siphon out about half the water, then replace it with new water. Start the siphon by sucking on the end of the flexible tubing, then plugging it with your thumb when the tubing is about half full. I use a small specimen container to siphon the water into. You can easily stop and start he flow by plugging the outlet end. By having the specimen container, and fry that are accidentally sucked up can be easily retrieved and placed back into their jar. Be forewarned: you will get some tank water in your mouth at some point. It won't kill you, but it's best to play it safe and avoid it as much as possible.

I've found it easiest to keep two mason jars in the tank: one on the bottom filled with water, and the other jar with fry placed on top of it. This allows you to keep the water warm, and you simply tip the jar a bit to refill it with new water from the parent's tank. No lids are needed on either jar.

After about two weeks, the fry should be nearing the half-inch mark and can safely be moved into larger quarter. Starting a small (2.5 or 5g) tank with water from the parents tank and a small, established sponge filter should provide an adequate growing environment for the next few weeks. After the rams have started to put on some size and color, they can be moved to a larger tank for final grow out.

Raising rams is not easy work. Nor is it terribly difficult. The most important things to have are a properly sized food supply and the willingness to do water changes frequently. For culturing microworms and brine shrimp, please refer to the articles in the breeding section (forthcoming).

fromhere
 
BREEDING


A word on Cross-breeding
Some fish of the pelvicachromis genus can be cross-bred. In general, most aquarists and experts do not recommend this practice. For one, hybrids can display unpredictable behaviors in terms of compatibility issues. Cross-hybridization thins gene pools and ends up producing progeny that do not display the original coloring of their parents. There is also the possibility of sterility. For some species of cichlids this is bad news since some of the local wild populations are under the threat of extinction.


Kribs are probably best known for their breeding. Young Kribs will not always get it right the first time but will eventually learn. It can be said that Kribs adhere to the Matriarch/Patriarch Family, meaning the female usually watches over the brood while the male defends the surrounding territory. Once the fry become free-swimming, both parents can share the responsibility of parenthood equally (biparnetal). In general, most single pairs in an aquarium will eventually breed together.


The female will more than often initiate breeding by showing her round colorful abdomen off to the male. She will often curl and bend her tail in opposite directions and then vibrate her body and move around or next to the male. Many people think this behaviour is either courtship or submissive behaviour - more knowledgable aquarists say it is insitinctive competitive behavior. This naturally originates from the 'old days back in the delta' (or fishstore aquarium) where the females compete for the best looking male. They are essentially attempting to make themselves look better than the other females. They will even curl their pelvic fins making them look larger and rounder (illustrating large egg capacity). Why do they do this when there is only one pair in a tank? Most say it is just instinctive behavior; I am tempted to say it is part courtship. The male can also vibrate and give the female a few nudges - could be an indication that he is content and is ready for lovin'...


The female usually takes on a nursing role during breeding (there are instances of males nursing the fry) while the male stays out 'on patrol' in order to keep the territory secure from other invading or curious fish. In my experience, bottomfeeders are priority #1 for the male (Pleco's, otto's, shrimp etc are known egg enemies) - one of my males usually darts after them until he no longer can see them.


Once the pair have nested it will take somewhere between two to three weeks before the eggs are laid. (The female can get cranky and may give the male a poke or two). Kribs can lay between 10 and very rarely upto 250 ovoid eggs with a color ranging from white-yellow to dirty orange. Sometimes Kribs lay their eggs on the roof of the nesting site, though in my experience they are usually layed on the ground level. The eggs will hatch in 3-8 days; many fry will still have their shells stuck to them (used as part of the yolk sac), as they wiggle on the gravel. The female will come out for food once in a while, and the male will then take over until she gets back.


I have experienced cases where the male or female will keep one of the parents away from the nesting site. This seems to happen when there are very few or no other fish in the tank. Maybe Kribs instinctively feel the need to protect their fry, thus with no predators, they may divert their attention to each other(?) If this becomes a problem, try adding some dither/target fish; if the aquarium is a 20G it may be necessary to temporarily remove one of them. The parents may move the fry (using their mouths) to another location or decide to raise the fry on the spot. When I first saw them do this, I cringed and thought they had decided to have a family snack! A nesting site that has little or no gravel/inadequate cover can cause them to move the fry to a location that has gravel and offers some protection. The fry will continue roaming around the gravel and occassionally make a leap or attempt a quick swim. They usually follow the female or male like a magnet when out of the nest site. It is interesting to note how close the fry remain to the parent - if the I.e. female swimmer higher the fry will disperse a little and swim more freely. If the female lowers herself to the gravel, so will the fry! The parents may move the fry to a cave or better secluded location at night. They will become free-swimming in 5-10 days.


It is a good idea to keep the water clean (remember: Kribs are generally river fish), keep the other fish, as well as the parents, well fed (for obvious reasons), and even keep a small night-light on to help the parents protect the fry at night. Do not gravel vacuum near the nesting site, it will only stress the parents and fry, and eradicate an important food source of algae and infusoria. Gravel vacuums are usually attacked without hesitation.


Once they are free swimming they can be fed with any of the commercially available foods. Pulverized/finely broken flakes work well; the parents will also help in feeding by spitting out pieces of food. The fry grow fast and feed well off of baby shrimp nauplii after one week of free swimming. The fry can be fed many times daily in very small amounts. It will not be uncommon to see the parents herding and 'presenting' the fry around the tank while they look for food.’


So how do Kribs react to their new fry if they’ve been separated? How do other Kribs react to other Krib’s fry? A study by Nelson CTJ and Elwood RW at Queens University of Belfast looked into the parental state of offspring recognition by Kribs. Olfactory cues are used as a means of egg and fry identification. For the most part, Kribs can identify their own young fairly well and will do so even after being separated from them. I have not had the luck in finding this paper but will post it once I locate it on the internet.


There are two basic options after this : remove the fry, or let them take their chances. After 2 to 4 weeks, once the fry are appr. 1/2 inches or more, it is a good idea to remove them or they will most likely get eaten or killed. At this point, the parents are beginning a new mating cycle, and will become aggressive even toward their own fry. It is very possible that some fry will survive - there are accounts of first generation fry even being allowed to help raise second generation fry! (this can be a common occurrence with Lamprologus Brichardi) But more often than not, they will be tempted to eat their new brothers and sisters.
There is no real way to prevent spawning. If spawning becomes a tedious affair, take out the eggs! It's unfair, maybe cruel, but it's easy and it works. A ploy I often use is feeding the fry to other fish.

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umm, whats that ment to mean?? :huh:

DD
 
freshmike said:
It's meant to mean....that is a lot of info, and quite impressive...even though it doesn't seem to be of your own...it is still impressive that you found such informative articles. Sorry.
 
:lol:

okay, i took a differently for a second :fun:

yeh its not mine :rolleyes:

thats why i put where the articles came from at the ending......


DD
 
Phew....didn't think you would take it like that, but Stephi pointed it out to me, thankfully. Guess I looked like a butt there for a second. :*)
 
nah, dont worry, just the way my brain works,

but i left one thing out, if theyre all breeding pairs they shouldnt be in the same 3 foot tank :/
 
You try take make the aquarium very much to your fishes liking , by reading up on how the live , what they need to live , how the spawn , where the spawn [ substrate or cave / some both ], and if they spawn what are you going to do with the fry , sometimes a water change , a different kind of food [ live for example ],or a raise in temp can trigger breeding behavior , but then again , it really is up to the fish .


Are you trying to this in the 3 footer ?
 

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