Denmar
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Ok, I am going to provide what info I can right now and will try to fill out the rest later.
Tank size: 75G
pH:
ammonia:
nitrite:
nitrate:
kH:
gH:
tank temp: 80F
Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
First symptom noticed is flashing/scraping.
Advanced stages appear to include: Loss of appetite, possible heavy breathing (but not laying on the surface.. sometimes near it), seperating itself
from the other fish/it's usual tank buddies.
Volume and Frequency of water changes: Typical is 25-30% monthly, special cirumstances surround this currently, please see HISTORY.
Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
Water Treated with Prime, Ph neutralized during changeouts, Aquarium Salt
Tank inhabitants:
See signature below for 75G tank.
Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
Please see HISTORY.
Exposure to chemicals:
Please see HISTORY.
Digital photo (include if possible): I can try to get any photos if there is something specific someone wants to see.
HISTORY:
2 weeks ago I migrated my 56G tank inhabitants to this 75G setup. I migrated ~50G of water from the old tank, and reused the Biowheel/Filter from the 56G. Unfortunately I could not tank the rock with.. was not an ideal migration due to the fact that the new tank was taking over the physical location of the old. I cannot recall at this time if flashing/scraping was going on in the old tank, unfortunately. The ~20G of new water added was treated with Prime, Aquarium Salt, and had the Ph neutralized. Stability was also added since I was doing a migration and thought it may help since I was unable to take the substrate with on the migration.
I started to witness the flashing/scraping and started to pay as much attention as possible to what was going on in the tank. I lost a Green Tiger Barb early on, but did not correlate it to the scraping/flashing.. that may have been a mistake. I noticed what appeared to me to be possible cottony growth on the second Green Tiger Barb's anal fins, suspected fungal and began treatment with Rid Fungus. Around the same time I started Fungus treatment, I noticed a scale on my Tinfoil Barb was "loose", around day 2 this scale had fallen off and a white spot, approx 1/4 of an inch in diameter was present where the scale had been, on day 4 this white spot had grown to maybe 1/3 of an inch and appeared to be breaking down the tissue, now with a divot in the middle. Scraping/Flashing activity seemed to be increasing. No longer suspecting fungal, I started to suspect Bacterial and began a Tetracycline treatment and ceased the Rid Fungus treatment. The tetracycline does not seem to bother the fish, however the situation does not appear to be improving. Since starting the tetracycline, the Green Tiger Barb stopped eating, seperated himself from the other barbs, lost its color, starting hiding all the time at low and high levels of the tank, and breath appeared to be more rapid. The Green Tiger Barb was dead this morning.
Since I have some fish that require live feeders, there are also goldfish/rosies in the tank. Last night a goldfish was resting on the surface and appeared to be breathing more heavily, and was also found dying this morning. I removed both the dead fish from the tank today and inspected their gills. Both appeared light pink (which I believe is normal?), though I do not know how long the GTB had been dead, the goldfish I saw die so I know I inspected it immediately after death.
Treatment has been ongoing for a week now, so the carbon filter has been out for a week and I have to assume at this point the water quality is extremely poor. I plan to do at least a 25% water change today (which is also part of the Tetracycline treatment regimen at this point).
The Red Empress are all flashing/scraping, and one of the females seems to be eating much less and I fear is reaching the advanced stages of this disease.
The Tinfoil Barb I do not see scrape much, if at all, and the white spot is not growing. I see red markings around the area of the white spot, but it looks more like it may be scarring/tissue related rather than disease.. but if I was good enough to be sure about that, I probably wouldn't be posting here!
The 2 remaining Barbs I'm not sure on, other than one of them appeared to have a somewhat bloated/distended stomach last night.
The Clown Loach I see scraping/flashing.
Some fish seem unaffected by this so far, namely, the Catfish, Eel, and needlefish. The Pleco is harder to discern due to its more inactive lifestyle. The Peacock is also hard to determine since it is buried pretty much always.
Should I have seen improvement at this point? I am starting to lean toward internal parasite or gill flukes at this point, but am unsure of the best treatment.. Formalin seems like an option, but I do have a catfish in the tank and am not sure that should be added directly to a tank, either. Looking for advice.. lots of advice both diagnosis and treatment moving forward.
Tank size: 75G
pH:
ammonia:
nitrite:
nitrate:
kH:
gH:
tank temp: 80F
Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
First symptom noticed is flashing/scraping.
Advanced stages appear to include: Loss of appetite, possible heavy breathing (but not laying on the surface.. sometimes near it), seperating itself
from the other fish/it's usual tank buddies.
Volume and Frequency of water changes: Typical is 25-30% monthly, special cirumstances surround this currently, please see HISTORY.
Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
Water Treated with Prime, Ph neutralized during changeouts, Aquarium Salt
Tank inhabitants:
See signature below for 75G tank.
Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
Please see HISTORY.
Exposure to chemicals:
Please see HISTORY.
Digital photo (include if possible): I can try to get any photos if there is something specific someone wants to see.
HISTORY:
2 weeks ago I migrated my 56G tank inhabitants to this 75G setup. I migrated ~50G of water from the old tank, and reused the Biowheel/Filter from the 56G. Unfortunately I could not tank the rock with.. was not an ideal migration due to the fact that the new tank was taking over the physical location of the old. I cannot recall at this time if flashing/scraping was going on in the old tank, unfortunately. The ~20G of new water added was treated with Prime, Aquarium Salt, and had the Ph neutralized. Stability was also added since I was doing a migration and thought it may help since I was unable to take the substrate with on the migration.
I started to witness the flashing/scraping and started to pay as much attention as possible to what was going on in the tank. I lost a Green Tiger Barb early on, but did not correlate it to the scraping/flashing.. that may have been a mistake. I noticed what appeared to me to be possible cottony growth on the second Green Tiger Barb's anal fins, suspected fungal and began treatment with Rid Fungus. Around the same time I started Fungus treatment, I noticed a scale on my Tinfoil Barb was "loose", around day 2 this scale had fallen off and a white spot, approx 1/4 of an inch in diameter was present where the scale had been, on day 4 this white spot had grown to maybe 1/3 of an inch and appeared to be breaking down the tissue, now with a divot in the middle. Scraping/Flashing activity seemed to be increasing. No longer suspecting fungal, I started to suspect Bacterial and began a Tetracycline treatment and ceased the Rid Fungus treatment. The tetracycline does not seem to bother the fish, however the situation does not appear to be improving. Since starting the tetracycline, the Green Tiger Barb stopped eating, seperated himself from the other barbs, lost its color, starting hiding all the time at low and high levels of the tank, and breath appeared to be more rapid. The Green Tiger Barb was dead this morning.
Since I have some fish that require live feeders, there are also goldfish/rosies in the tank. Last night a goldfish was resting on the surface and appeared to be breathing more heavily, and was also found dying this morning. I removed both the dead fish from the tank today and inspected their gills. Both appeared light pink (which I believe is normal?), though I do not know how long the GTB had been dead, the goldfish I saw die so I know I inspected it immediately after death.
Treatment has been ongoing for a week now, so the carbon filter has been out for a week and I have to assume at this point the water quality is extremely poor. I plan to do at least a 25% water change today (which is also part of the Tetracycline treatment regimen at this point).
The Red Empress are all flashing/scraping, and one of the females seems to be eating much less and I fear is reaching the advanced stages of this disease.
The Tinfoil Barb I do not see scrape much, if at all, and the white spot is not growing. I see red markings around the area of the white spot, but it looks more like it may be scarring/tissue related rather than disease.. but if I was good enough to be sure about that, I probably wouldn't be posting here!
The 2 remaining Barbs I'm not sure on, other than one of them appeared to have a somewhat bloated/distended stomach last night.
The Clown Loach I see scraping/flashing.
Some fish seem unaffected by this so far, namely, the Catfish, Eel, and needlefish. The Pleco is harder to discern due to its more inactive lifestyle. The Peacock is also hard to determine since it is buried pretty much always.
Should I have seen improvement at this point? I am starting to lean toward internal parasite or gill flukes at this point, but am unsure of the best treatment.. Formalin seems like an option, but I do have a catfish in the tank and am not sure that should be added directly to a tank, either. Looking for advice.. lots of advice both diagnosis and treatment moving forward.
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