Diary - Update 06-01-2007 - Almost 6 Months

[Gill]

I just went downstairs to close the curtains in the Living Room.

I swapped some of the tanks around a few Days ago.

I put the Triclor Vt in a XXXL Planted vase with Amazon Swords Crypts and Bogwood + Blue-Ivory-Black-Caramel Apple snails.

The Previuos inhabitants were Females, and I thought I had removed them All before putting the Male in.

I do not know which female he has bred with but there are about 50 Eggs in the Nest.

I cant remove the female as the Vase is soooo Heavily Planted, I would heave to remove the plants and destroy the nest.

Should I just leave him be and see what happens.


I'll Take some pix.

 

[Gill]

Pix

The Vase Holds about 10 Litres
Heavily Planted

The VT and nest

He was getting a little vexed

PS trying out new Camera - Nikon D70S

 

[smurfyy_2k3]

nobody really likes to breed vts as they are very hard to get rid of,
if you dont want the eggs remove them before they hatch if you think you can handle them post again and we'll help

 

[splashluff]

I'm mostly concerned that you had several females AND apple snails in 2 1/2 gallons. Wth, seriously?

First of all... if you cannot remove the Mom, even, you will not be able to remove Daddy either; meaning the fry will die anyway. My advice would be to pull the female out and allow the male to cull to the fry, or just scoop out the nest. If you leave the girl in, you're going to have a dead female on your hands for no reason at all. =(

 

[Gill]

I'm mostly concerned that you had several females AND apple snails in 2 1/2 gallons. Wth, seriously?

First of all... if you cannot remove the Mom, even, you will not be able to remove Daddy either; meaning the fry will die anyway. My advice would be to pull the female out and allow the male to cull to the fry, or just scoop out the nest. If you leave the girl in, you're going to have a dead female on your hands for no reason at all. =(

I managed to get the Female out - Put some pellets in and scooped her out when she ate them.

Wont be a Problem offloading the young as All the LFS's stock VT only a few Out of town LFS' Sell Ct's. VT are the Main Bettas sold Here in the Uk Not Many Stock or sell CT's. You only get other Tail types in every so Often.

When did I say I had Several Females in it - that was a presumption on your part.
It had 3 In it.

Do you Personally Know anything about how I care for My Bettas. NO
This was a simple mistake on my part not making sure I removed all the females before changing over the tanks.

I Like to switch them round to see Which likes which Tank/Bowl Better. I hav always done this to determine which is best suited to which.

 

[smurfyy_2k3]

ok then start collecting jars and start a microworm culture you will need a bigger tank too

 

[Rediahs]

When did I say I had Several Females in it - that was a presumption on your part.
It had 3 In it.

Do you Personally Know anything about how I care for My Bettas. NO
This was a simple mistake on my part not making sure I removed all the females before changing over the tanks.

Sorry hon but "3" bettas is "several". And 3 bettas do not belong together in any container. It's a wonder they're still alive!!

Don't get uppity here! If you put 3 bettas together in 2.5 gallons, then you ought to know... you were wrong to do that. Don't do it again, PLEASE. You apparently aren't very experienced. Someone ought to bring you back down to size

If you'd just admit you didn't know what you were doing, that's okay, a lot of people don't, and that's why they're here - to learn. But when you get all uppity about it, people do not like that.

You were wrong to do that, dear.

 

[ElectricMayhem]

sev·er·al
adj.
Being of a number more than two or three but not many: several miles away.

Several is not three. But that's just semantics. Using terms of endearment such as "hon" and "dear" whilst at the same time admonishing them comes across as condescending.

This is the last I will post in this thread about my feelings on the above. I'm not interested in an argument, just wanting to point out how words that lack 93% of the components of active communication [Eunson, 2006] can be easily interpreted as an attack, unfriendly and rude.

Gill, I think if these bubs have any chance you're going to have to get them into a bigger tank with a heater and a sponge filter. Not quite sure how you'd go about this, but if it was me, I'd put the whole vase into the bigger tank once they've hatched [titrate it in slowly so the new water is not a shock] and let the baby fishes swim into the bigger tank. The dad could turn on the fry once they hatch, so you'll need to remove him. This is just my opinion, make sure you gather a few more before you make a final decision. Good luck with the eggs!

 

[black angel]

This seems to be whats wrong with this part of the board lately.

Someone makes a mistake, asks for help and gets stomped on from a great height. Its no wonder threads like this get out of hand quickly.
One person feels the need to be the big I am and others join in.

Its bullying at its lowest level.

If you want to help then help, otherwise say nothing. Its ok to correct someone but its not to post just to be spiteful and nasty.

Chrissi i too found your post condascending. Chill out.

I cant offer any more than the advice given but hope you dont take these nasty comments to heart.

 

[OohFeeshy]

Just because it's not nice, doesn't mean it's not true. I'm getting fed up of the people who think that you shouldn't mention anything outside the original topic in case you hurt the target person's feelings- so what if you do? It might actually get an effect.

 

[FishHobbyist1564]

Gill I had to take my female bettas back to the store (because i don't have the heart to flush them!) when they started a war in my tank. I guess you can call it Tank War I. lol. But it was between my two female bettas i was surprized because other fish who got in the way of them ended up dying. I really hope this doesn't happen to you. I wish you the best of luck with your problem!

REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR "SECRET" IN THE BEAUTIFUL BETTA POLL!!!

 

[black angel]

Theres a difference between trying to help someone by being constructive in how you speak to them in seeing where they have gone wrong and just downright rudeness.
Im sure Gill can speak for herself but newbies will feel intimidated and not come back. This is supposed to be a friendly board so think before you post.

 

[RandomWiktor]

Gill - glad you got the female out! I do hope neither fish was hurt, though the male looks in decent condition from what I can see. Must have been all of that planting. Speaking of which, sorry you've gotten your head bitten off, but for future reference, it would be better to keep a larger number of females in a much larger quantity of water; 4-6 in a well planted 10g is best. Three in only 2.5g threatens fighting and ammonia issues, and does permit the bare minimum gallonage per fish for this species, hence many people getting up in arms.
Now, as for the issue of the eggs. If you wish to keep and raise the fry, you should read up on breeding, as fry are very sensitive at this age, and everything from the type of food to the time to remove the male must be very precise for a good survival rate and healthy offspring. As others have mentioned, you need to hop on microworm cultures and decapsulating brine shrimp eggs. You'll also need a good-sized grow out tank, and plenty of individual jars, to hold the fry as they age.
I'll be honest though, I don't see a spectacular survival rate in a tank so small with no heating or filtration. Fry tend to be very finicky about water quality, so something as simple as temperature fluctuations or the tinest bit of ammonia is a death sentence. Furthermore, the vase is open-topped (unless you have a lid to prevent dad from jumping out that you removed for the picture?), which means the little buggers will probably have inadequate humidity from the get-go; they may not even hatch if that is the case.
Whatever the outcome, good luck; hopefully the problem will be resolved one way or another. In the future, always counts your ladies before adding a new inhabitant to an "empty" tank.

 

[Gill]

Hey RW + Others Thanks.

It was a Total suprise to see this last night.

He is very protective and as soon as an Apple snail gets near the eggs he watches them, then pushes them away, Breaks down the nest and moves it.

Ive got Loads of Daphnia and Mozzies I can feed them + some Very Fine Hikari Newly Hatched Fry Food Somewhere.

I have plenty of tanks that I can set up and use for them. Jarring is not a problem - Poundstore Pint Glasses will do. And an LFS will happily take them.

Problem is I already forget when Ive fed my Main tanks let alone feed these - Thankfully mum reminds me about water changes and feeding. got some issues with me Brain not working good - Lost Time and the like.

 

[Bloo]

(off topic) - all issues aside: I just wanted to say that's a really lovely planted betta vase
and probably one of the nicest I've seen. Though to be honest, I would personally keep a single betta in there