Coronavirus...post your thoughts here...

[noobfish]

I like Dolly, and she is a great person, but the whole Vaccine thing is a business. Maybe Dolly was a poor choice. How about Bill Gates or Matt Hancock's little deals? Are these people you would trust with their love for us mere mortals? Honestly?

Bill Gates... again, research his philanthropy work. One can be a flawed person (we all have flaws) and still give and be well intentioned. And sure, I'll take their help. I don't think any of them are out to get me.

 

[Spiskits]

Do you have children? If you do, then you should be aware of just how easily an infant can suffocate. You know the whole "nothing in the crib, alone, on their backs"? There's years of experience that has taught us this. So I think the "justification" is that one is much less risky than the other.
I understand you don't like mask mandates, and that's fine with me, do as you wish. Most have made up their minds one way or the other and will not be swayed. However, your infant argument is pretty weak. Especially when you have to resort to the old "where are the parents" trope.

My infant argument? I'm sorry I don't see why telling a parent to keep an eye on their child is infantile when there is such a "deadly virus" floating in the air that could kill them And I have three children thank you. A girl and two boys. My wife is a qualified nursery nurse, preschool teacher, and, obviously, first aider. She doesn't agree with your reply either.
If you read my original comment I said nothing of leaving children in a crib wearing a mask, how stupid do you think that is I actually said "I saw people walking around a shop with toddlers, the kids were not wearing masks." Stop cherry picking and read ALL my comments before attacking. Thank you.

 

[Spiskits]

Bill Gates... again, research his philanthropy work. One can be a flawed person (we all have flaws) and still give and be well intentioned. And sure, I'll take their help. I don't think any of them are out to get me.

So you think Hancock is a good person and isn't in this vaccine malarkey for nothing but the good of the people? I haven't met or heard of one single person who trusts anything Hancock says or does. You are the first. Well, as the saying goes, there's always one.

 

[WhistlingBadger]

Let's keep it civil, folks. I can tell some tempers are starting to run a bit high. The fate of the world isn't going to be decided on the fish forum, so please take it easy.

It's getting really bad here again, and there are no mandates in place; very few protocols at the schools I work at. I think everyone's kind of in denial around here, except the people who are sick. They're flying new cases out of states because all the hospitals are full here. Kind of weird. I'm not wearing a mask at the moment, seriously thinking about going back to it, but I plan on getting the booster the moment it's available.

 

[Bruce Leyland-Jones]

The obvious reason, IMO too obvious to state, why infants don't wear masks is because they could be suffocated or strangled by them.

Yes...and there's also been a lack of understanding about transmission of the disease, back when the focus was not catching it. Initially, kids of all ages were given a basic 'Free Pass', simply because they didn't seem to catch it, end up in hospital and die.
The (not small) detail that they could carry it and pass it on was either missed or ignored.
For infants, there were plenty of cases where babies caught it (and sadly died), but the numbers didn't merit reporting in the general media and, compared to the masses who were dying, it appeared that the odds weren't worth worrying about. There were many households I visited where the whole family tested positive, including the baby, but not all got the disease bad. I also know of some families where Gran and Grandad took on baby care, as soon as restrictions were lifted and then caught it from the little one. That was all so sad when they then died as a consequence.
Babies also don't tend to travel as widely as their older family members and creating a suitably sized mask for a baby, that couldn't be pulled off, just would not work...no matter how closely a parent watched their child.
Even many adults seem incapable of learning how to wear a mask and seem content simply to stick one in the vicinity of the face, because they're supposed to.

@Naughts is quite correct with "Wearing a mask stops you passing on the virus so easily, but wearing one doesn't stop you catching it." (My italics).

No mask, test or vaccine is infallible, but all are undisputedly good tools to employ to try and curb the spread of the thing.

Last Christmas, when Joe and Josephine Public demanded that Christmas was a Right and that Christmas simply HAD to involve social gatherings, , the cases shot up. Last summer, (2020), when the glorious weather arrived and some restrictions were lifted, everyone then rushed ahead as if we were 'back to normal', with crowded beaches and tourist hotspots...and guess what? Cases shot up.
Each time restrictions have been eased, the general public demonstrates its inability to behave in a mature and responsible manner and goes to excess, with cases going up yet again.

Meanwhile, back in the NHS, we have staffed who have worked solid since the Spring of 2020, skipping holidays and even days off, to now care for those who genuinely believe that a foreign holiday is a 'right', that mask wearing is unnecessary and all of those qualified experts are talking rubbish. (I always find it interesting when talking to the deniers in hospital, that all of them didn't do much science in school and prefer to trust social media 'experts' over real ones).

There is not a single person on this forum who is an expert on Covid which makes my opinion as valid as any.

No...it doesn't.
At a road traffic accident, for example, I know exactly what to do and in what order to do it. I don't have to be an expert, but unless you are also trained in serious First Aid and crisis management, your opinion is not more valid than mine. Too many times I've had to take a seriously deep breath whilst some self-entitled idiot was convinced that their opinion regarding the treatment was valid, simply because that was what they'd been taught from Day One at school.
From a starting point of basic medical training, enhanced with previous qualifications in microbiology, my own knowledge has been multiplied by those dedicated hospital specialists and unpleasant experience. No-one, not even an 'expert', will claim to be an expert, but there's no way your basic and unqualified opinion is as valid.

 

[noobfish]

My infant argument? I'm sorry I don't see why telling a parent to keep an eye on their child is infantile when there is such a "deadly virus" floating in the air that could kill them And I have three children thank you. A girl and two boys. My wife is a qualified nursery nurse, preschool teacher, and, obviously, first aider. She doesn't agree with your reply either.
If you read my original comment I said nothing of leaving children in a crib wearing a mask, how stupid do you think that is I actually said "I saw people walking around a shop with toddlers, the kids were not wearing masks." Stop cherry picking and read ALL my comments before attacking. Thank you.

Possibly lost in translation? We were talking about infants (small children), and I was referring to your argument about them not having to wear masks (i.e. infant argument). I was not calling your stance infantile.
Given your wife's experience, she would know just how quickly a choking hazard could happen. Shall we stare persistently at small children 24/7 so that they can wear a mask?

And calm down. I've read your posts through and through. Even the one where you stated you wanted a civil discussion. Doesn't seem that's why you're posting at all.

Again, it's been over a year and minds are clearly made on both sides. You won't sway mine same as I can't sway yours.

 

[Fishmanic]

Wearing a mask stops you passing on the virus so easily, but wearing one doesn't stop you catching it.

If you use a proper high quality tight fitting mask, I think it would lower your chance of catching it as well. I always use masks that have a form fitting nasal area.

 

[noobfish]

So you think Hancock is a good person and isn't in this vaccine malarkey for nothing but the good of the people? I haven't met or heard of one single person who trusts anything Hancock says or does. You are the first. Well, as the saying goes, there's always one.

Not familiar with him. I may watch less news than you.

 

[noobfish]

Let's keep it civil, folks. I can tell some tempers are starting to run a bit high. The fate of the world isn't going to be decided on the fish forum, so please take it easy.

No worries. After the past 18 months I've all but given up. Not sure a fire in my house could get me worked up at this point

 

[Fishmanic]

This topic was started on Feb 29th, 2020. Politics and / or religious discussion should be avoided.

Here is the first post of this topic - it still applies to future posts here:

The Coronavirus is spreading rapidly worldwide.

• What is the present state of the virus in your country or state?
• Do you know anyone who is infected?
• What restrictions does your government have to prevent the spread of the virus?
• Are you making any preparations such as stocking up on food and buying masks?
• What is your opinion about the coronavirus..is it overblown; or do you feel there will be a pandemic?

Please stick to the facts and stay on topic. Please be able to back up your post with a link to a reputable source if necessary.

 

[Naughts]

If you use a proper high quality tight fitting mask, I think it would lower your chance of catching it as well. I always use masks that have a form fitting nasal area.

Yes, they're still working on getting evidence for this. I have seen that when people see someone wearing a mask they often get theirs out of their pocket/bag and put it on so that lowers the chances of it spreading too.

 

[noobfish]

This topic was started on Feb 29th, 2020. Politics and / or religious discussion should be avoided.

Here is the first post of this topic - it still applies to future posts here:

The Coronavirus is spreading rapidly worldwide.

• What is the present state of the virus in your country or state?
• Do you know anyone who is infected?
• What restrictions does your government have to prevent the spread of the virus?
• Are you making any preparations such as stocking up on food and buying masks?
• What is your opinion about the coronavirus..is it overblown; or do you feel there will be a pandemic?

Please stick to the facts and stay on topic. Please be able to back up your post with a link to a reputable source if necessary.

Aye. Let me know if I need to delete anything and I shall refrain from future replies

 

[WhistlingBadger]

The doctors I know have told me that any decent mask will give the wearer a little protection by reducing the viral load taken in. How much they help is open to research, but they probably help some. They definitely are helpful in keeping an infected person from sharing it with others.

 

[Fishmanic]

Aye. Let me know if I need to delete anything and I shall refrain from future replies

No need to refrain from future replies. Just stick to the facts and use my previous post as a guide.

 

[Fishmanic]

An N95 mask (without the valve) is a good choice. Just be sure it has an way to adjust the fit around the top of the nose.