Confused About Lighting, Reef Only? Moonlights?

Jim Curtis

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Ok, so I recently switched to live plants and have been reading about CO2 systems and lighting. Right now I just have an old T8 fixture that is only 38 watts. My tank is 36"x12"x20", 46 us gallons. Im kind of one for overkill and have been looking at some nice T5 fixtures. Everyone seems to be recommending crazy bright lights, 4wpg and numbers like that. It seems to get that kind of output ill need one of the fixtures that is sold as reef only. Why is that so? Also im very intrigued by the idea of moonlights and those also only seem to be available on the reef only lights.

I guess this is supposed to be the kind of thing im supposed to get? Its 78 watts which isnt even 2wpg..
http://www.marineandreef.com/Nova_Extreme_..._p/rcu01128.htm

... and this one is 156 watts.. but specificlly states reef only.
http://www.marineandreef.com/Nova_Extreme_..._p/rcu01121.htm

Im very confused.. which light is for me? Is the moonlighting not advised for freshwater?
 
Right, to try to simplify this for you:-

1) You DON'T need high lighting to grow plants. There are many plants that will happily grow with as little as 1.5 watts per gallon, whilst still been attractive.
2) Almost everything will grow under 'medium' lighting (about 2.5 watts per gallon) with the exception fo plants like glossostigma ellatinoides.
3) High lighting (over about 3 watts per gallon) mean high maintenance. When using such high levels of lighting things like good circulation (current opinions reckon that about 10x the volume of the tank per hour is ideal, this doesn't have to all be from one source though, but can be achieved with carefully postioned flow pumps and the like), regular nutrient dosing (including the macro nutrients nitrate, phosphate and potassium as well) and fairly high and stable levels of CO2 (about 30ppm) become essential to avoid unhappy plants and your tank becoming an algae farm. However this style of aquarium (often referred to as high tech) does allow the growth of some of the more difficult and demanding plants such as alternanthera reineckii and also the more difficult red plants.

Next, how to achieve these levels. From your description you currently have only a single 38 watt T8 tube? If so then you currently have under 1wpg of lighting. Not the end of the world, as this is still adequate for growing plants such as java fern, java moss, cryptocoryne wendtii (and many other cryptocoryne species), nymphae stellata, hygrophila polysperma, hygrophila difformis, quite a few different echnodorus species and marimo (moss) balls. However you might want to avoid any of the more demanding plants, especially most of the red species and also so called 'carpet plants' as your current lighting is unlikely to have the intensity to penetrate down to the substrate. You could improve matters slightly with a 2nd 38 watt T8 tube, and also make sure that you have reflectors fitted to these. This would then give you a bit more leeway with low lighting, and allow you to grow plants like dwarf hairgrass assuming that your tank is 12 inches deep. If it is 20 inches deep then I would recomend chaning to 2 T5HO tubes of 39 watts each. The extra intensity from T5HO lamps is better able to penetrate to greater depths.

If you wanted to go medium light then you would need 3x 39 watt T5HO lamps, if you have a normal hood you can achieve this using external controlers, if however you have a Juwel style flap hood then you then have to look into adding them by resting bulbs on your brace bar, getting a new ibar type fitting, or the best option buying a 3 tube luminaire from somewhere like ebay. If you are going for medium lighting though fertiliser dosing becomes more important, as does the need to provide a source of carbon for your plants via either liquid carbon supplements like EasyLife EasyCarbo or Flourish Excel, or via CO2 injection. You can however get away with using DIY yeast CO2 kit for this style of tank.

For high lighting as mentioned you need some serious circulation, via either oversized filtration or additional flow pumps, powerheads or the like. Without these you get 'dead' spots where your CO2 that you need to add, or nutrients that you are doing, either don't reach or build up in higher than wanted concentrations, and along comes blue green algae. You need to be dosing nutrients and CO2 at higher levels as your plants will be using these faster because of the extra light, don't add them and again algae comes avisiting as it has all that lovely light but doesn't really need the CO2 or nutrients to grow, whilst your plants do. You also need to stay on top of water changes, with a minimum of 1 25% water change a week, this is mainly to keep ammonia levels down as algae loves ammonia. Your plants lover water changes as well, they add fresh supplies of trace nutrients in addition to your dosing. They also help to remove discoloration of your water that builds up over time and can reduce the quantity and quality of the light reaching your plants. By far the easiest way to achieve the wanted light levels for this kind of set up is with an overtank luminaire, these do not have to be metal halide fittings though, a 4 tube 39watt T5HO fitting would do the job just as well in your tank, but you are looking at spending about £119 and up for one of these. Again if you have a normal wooden hood/canopy with enough space you could just buy 2 dual 39 watt T5HO external controlers and fit the tubes into your hood, remembering to fit reflectors to each tube. You also have to keep on top of pruning with this kind of set up, most of my faster growing plants grow an average of about a foot a week if I let them. So don't go for a high light setup unless you have the time and the inclination to put in the work.

I hope that this has been of some help to you, and remember, you don't need high light high tech set ups to grow beautiful plants, they are just the fashion at the moment.

Ade
 
Great information thank you for taking the time. Just to clarify a few things, My tank is 20" in depth, I have been adding flourish weekly and I do have a normal hood. Could you direct me to a lamp that you would buy for this tank if you didnt plan on adding a CO2 injector anytime soon?
 
Not very easily I am afraid, I live in the UK where T5 pricing is a bit different to US pricing (seems to be cheaper over here for once. lol). I am sure that somebody in the US should be able to help you with a link though, or it might even work out cheaper to import one from germany and pay the tax and extra shipping. lol

Ade
 
Ok so they dont seem to sell a ballast for 3 T5HO bulbs so I guess Ill just go with the 2x39 T5 in my first link. My plants dont seem to be dying with just a single 38 watt T8 so I guess that will have to show some sort of improvement with the 2 T5's. Im still curious about the moonlights.
 
Moonlights are usually just used for night time viewing really, they wont do any harm in freshwater, but they wont have any benifits either unless you have nocturnal species that you wish to watch. Oh and no, nobody makes 3 tube ballasts, only 2 tube and 1 tube ones. If you get the Hagen Glo dual ballasts you can use these with either 1 or 2 tubes however, and over here they are much cheaper than the Arcadia T5 ballasts. You can however buy 3 tube luminaires.

Ade
 
That's about the same price as the hagen glo linear units are over here, so a good price. Rather than using it alongside your existing lighting though, if you really want high lighting I would suggest buying 2 of them for 4 tubes in total. You will also want to dump the 10,000k (10k as they describe it) tube in both of them and replace it with a daylight tube of about 6000-7000k. The 10000k tubes are too blue and leave colours looking washed out and make the tank look like it's a cloudy day. No need to spend a fortune on these though, normal Osram or GE T5HO 865 tubes will do the job just as well.

Ade
 
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So should I just go with that one and swap out all of the bulbs for daylight tubes? Id rather just have them all in one ballast and this one also comes with the moonlights which I kind of want since im a night owl and like to be able to peak at my fish late at night.

I dont really want high lighting because I dont want all of the added mantenience that goes with it but I cant figure out how to get medium lighting! It seems that I either run 2 bulbs which is still considered low or 4 which is high.
 
Looks fine, you will need to change all of the bulbs in that though as none of them are really suited to a planted tank. Usually 4 tube units have 2 switches, 1 for each pair, but will only operate with either 2 or 4 and not 3. If having 4 tubes on for 8-10 hours is too much for you, stagger them. Have 2 on for the entire lighting period, and all 4 on for just a part of it in the middle of the day, this will give your plants a nice boost.

I usually like a combination of 6500k tubes and a plant type tubes like the Sylvania Grolux as these offset the green/yellow of the 6500k nicely. You could go 50:50 for them, all 6500k or even just one grolux to offset the daylight tubes. I find that plants thrive under these combinations.

Just be aware that with high lighting like that you need good circulation (big filter or flow pumps/powerheads), pressurised CO2 (yeast just can't stay stable enough), regular maintenance (pruning and at least 1 25% water change per week) and a good regular fertiliser dosing regime. Otherwise instead of getting a lovely planted high light tank you end up with a lovely green algae farm. lol

Ade
 
Ok, I finally placed an order and I just went with the 2X39Watt T5 and bought a timer for it. Its twice the output I have now and my plants are not doing too bad with what I currently have so Im hoping that this set up will encourage some growth. Thanks for all of the help Ade.

Jim
 
I think you can guarantee this. Many folks think that T5s are twice as bright as T8s, and they certainly look it to the eye.

Beware though that after a few weeks you will stop noticing that your tank is brighter, and start wondering if they are really any better... lol

Ade
 

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