Community Cichlids

[ANIM4L]

Cichlids have the coolest colors ever, and that is what i am after, my tank has gouramis, because they are awesome, but i am looking for more fish to add. This is my tank set up right now:

60g - Fully Planted with Real Mopani Driftwood
1 Dwarf Gourami M (Flow)
1 Gold Gourami F (Bananas)
1 Pearl Gourami F (Loch)
1 Powder Blue Gourami M (Dori)
1 Red Fire Dwarf Gourami M (Nemo)
1 Opaline Gourami F (Surf)
1 Synodontis Eupterus (Spike)
1 Silver-Tip Catfish F (Bruce)
1 Angel M (Spaz)
1 Clown Pleco (Stripes)
1 Rubbernose Pleco (Pucker)
3 Ghost Shrimp (3 Stooges)

So anything you think would work with this set up please tell me, i was all ready looking at the rams and discus, but anything else, please tell me

 

[plecoguy]

your tank is pretty well stocked as it is...adding discus would be a mistake. I took care of, and bred discus, and you really have to be ready to take that plunge cause is it different than your ordinary fish. when it comes to discus a general rule is 1 discus per 10 gallons of water (this doesnt mean 2 discus in a 20...a 29 is bare minimum)...and you dont have that room to spare in your tank...

 

[freddyk]

You've got a Gourami tank, I don't think it's a good idea to add more cichlids.

 

[ANIM4L]

i just was looking to get new fish and i know that cichlids are awesome so i was looking for community ones

 

[@ombomb]

Gouramis and Cichlids, even the community ones don't get on IME.

Is it too much to ask that you do some research before making these posts? You claim to work in a fish shop yet seem to have no real knowledge of fish or their requirements.

You should not put any more fish in your tank, especially not agressive ones.

 

[BlueIce]

Gouramis and Cichlids, even the community ones don't get on IME.

Is it too much to ask that you do some research before making these posts? You claim to work in a fish shop yet seem to have no real knowledge of fish or their requirements.

You should not put any more fish in your tank, especially not agressive ones.

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Actually,that isn't true.Gourami's and some cichlids do very well together.

That point is moot however ,as his tank couldn't possibly hold another fish and will be quite over-stocked as those fish he already has become mature.


My suggestion...stop looking to add fish to and already stocked tank.You want new and exciting fish? Get a new tank.

 

[@ombomb]

Actually,that isn't true.Gourami's and some cichlids do very well together.

That point is moot however ,as his tank couldn't possibly hold another fish and will be quite over-stocked as those fish he already has become mature.

It's true in the case of the Cichlids (Rams and Angels) I have kept with Gouramis, which is why I stated that it was In My Experience rather than as a fact.

I also pointed out that he shouldn't put any more fish in his tank, so I don't really see why you felt the need to post that in response.

 

[BlueIce]

Actually,that isn't true.Gourami's and some cichlids do very well together.

That point is moot however ,as his tank couldn't possibly hold another fish and will be quite over-stocked as those fish he already has become mature.

It's true in the case of the Cichlids (Rams and Angels) I have kept with Gouramis, which is why I stated that it was In My Experience rather than as a fact.

I also pointed out that he shouldn't put any more fish in his tank, so I don't really see why you felt the need to post that in response.

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hm
so because you posted your advice and experience,I should not post mine?
Interesting...I'll keep that in mind next time.

 

[@ombomb]

The tone of the post and the quote you added suggested that you were directly contradicting what I had posted, when I had made it clear that I was talking about my experience rather than hard facts.

Actually,that isn't true.

Actually it is, I witnessed it first hand.

that point is moot however ,as his tank

Obviously not directed towards the topic starter but the quoted text you included.

Maybe you should bear in mind the tone of what you post before you post it.

Maybe I'm a bit grumpy a week into giving up smoking.

Probably a bit of both.

 

[BlueIce]

Perhaps my post does contradict yours. As in my experience and the experience of several very experienced fish keepers,gourami and some cichlids do very very well together.If you read again you'll see that I stated that SOME cichlids work well with gourami.You stated that they work well with none...which you can't state as your experience as you've only tried them with rams and angels.

I've kept them with all sorts of cichlids from salvini,angels,firemouth and sajica and several others to numerous to list. I also know of some very well known keepers that have gourami in with more aggressive cichlids as well.



My comment about a moot point was directed at none other then the OP.
The OP has posted over and over and over,asking the same questions in many different ways,hoping for a different answer....and in the end...it doesn't matter...his tank is to the point of bursting and nothing more could be added...not a BGK,not a brown knife,not a cichlid...

so whether or not cichlids and gourami do in fact get along,is a moot point...he has no room.

Period....

 

[ANIM4L]

ok how is this over stocked?

60g - Fully Planted with Real Mopani Driftwood
1 Honey Gourami
1 Gold Gourami (Bananas)
1 Pearl Gourami (Loch)
1 Powder Blue Gourami (Dori)
1 Red Fire Dwarf Gourami (Nemo)
1 Opaline Gourami (Surf)
1 Synodontis Eupterus (Spike)
1 Silver-Tip Catfish F (Bruce)
1 Marbled Angel (Spaz)
1 Clown Pleco (Stripes)
1 Rubbernose Pleco (Pucker)
3 Ghost Shrimp (3 Stooges)

that is only 40 inches of fish, not including the small plecos and i have researched about fish, that is why i said "i was looking at rams and discus", i know thye are peaceful, but discus r expensive an dhard to keep alive at times, so i was posting to see others opinions, i dont see howmy tank is overstocked tho, since i got rid of my 3 clown loaches that gave me a lot more room too. and i am not adding a BGK, i know i cant and i would rather have fish that are happy and comfortable than one that is unhappy and cramped. and every time i have postewd about "would this ifhs work?" well isnt that what a forum is for, for other's opinions? And each time its about a different fish i am asking about. I cant post in the cichlid forum "would these work?" and start talking about BGK and stuff, because i wouldnt really expect as many people to notice it.

 

[BlueIce]

What about when those fish are grown to maturity?

What about the highly aggressive nature of Synodontis Eupterus ?
Mine have only gotten more aggressive and territorial with age and size.Often they attack fish 3-4 times their size ,and they very often kill smaller cichlids such as firemouth and sajica ,that is my experience and the experience of many others on this forum and other forums.

 

[ANIM4L]

those are the sizes of those fish when mature, most gouramis stay between 4-5 inches, and dwarfs are 2 inches, my syno if really peaceful, he never has chsed anyone and loves to hang around his driftwood, i have heard MANY people say thye arent mean ro anything, but if something does happy i will surely b moving him out.

 

[pnyklr3]

If your Silver-Tipped Catfish is Arius jordani (also known as Hexanematichthys seemanni), then you should re-home it or get rid of the gouramis. They get to be 12", can reach 24", and need to be kept in a brakish setup.

Catfish: 12"
Gold Gourami: 6"
Honey: 2"
Pearl: 4"
Powder Blue:2"
Red Fire: 2"
Opaline: 6"
Synodontis Eupterus: 6"
Marbled Angel: 6"
Clown Pleco: 5"
Rubbernose Pleco: 6"

I have nearly 60 inches of fish at adult sizes (not counting how big the catfish could get).

Plecs are poop-machines and will just create massive amounts of waste.

Hexanematichthys seemanni, Arius seemani, A. jordani (old names), Columbian shark, Tete sea catfish.

Usually around 12-14" (30-35cm), but can reach 24" (60cm).

Large tank with plenty of open swimming space.

Predatory, semi-aggressive. Keep with large brackish fish, such as adult scats or monos.

Water chemistry: Neutral to alkaline, slightly brackish to marine.

These fish are best kept in a small group. They are often seen for sale at 2-3", but the potential size should be taken into account before buying. They are likely to eat smaller fish. These fish are often sold from, and kept in, freshwater tanks when younger, but they should be converted to brackish water for their long term health.
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EDIT: Dwarf Puffers are really peaceful too. But then they mature and go on killing sprees. Just because it is working now, doesn't mean it always will or that it's a good idea.

 

[ANIM4L]

ok, i will get rid of the syno dontis. Here are the mature sizes of my fish (ive researched gouramis MANY MANY times)

Catfish: 10-12" ->he can stay freshwater, i just have to get him used to staying in it, if his body is used to a little salt that i add in the water, it will stay used to it, and his body will naturally get used to it, it takes a couple years till they "should" be in full brackish, and 2 years is a long time for his body to get used to it. He swims around super happily
Gold Gourami: 4-5"
Honey: 2"
Pearl: 4"
Powder Blue:2"
Red Fire: 2"
Opaline: 4-5"
Synodontis Eupterus: 6"
Marbled Angel: 6"
Clown Pleco: 4-5"
Rubbernose Pleco: 4-5"

so that is, without the synodontis: 42 inches - 48 inches of fish, but plecos dont take territories, and these small ones aretn as bad as the larger ones. with out the plecos it is 36-38 inches of fish. Plus wiht all the oxygen i have going into my tank from all the plants, sometimes its not bad to go over, as i have been informed bya few people here and in person, but atm i am not near going over, im not even full yet. And counting what you wrote about my sizes, you sauid "i am counting 60 inches of adult fis (not including the catfish), umm i only counted 45 inches, and 57 inches WITH the cat