when the tank was getting cleaned the blackmoor swam up the gravel cleaner and and had its eye sucked out. What should i do, its too late to go to lfs to get anti bacteria to treat it. what should i do?, ive read over the internet that it may be ok aslong as it doesnt get infected. But it has ich, and probably the tank will have some, ive started to use ich treatment in the tank and gave another dosage to hopefully kill any ich that may be swimming.
(coldwater, Sry But Didnt See An Emergency In The Forum) Blackmoors Go
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pippoodle
RIP Dear nan 22/03/1925 --11/03/2009
you will need to get some melafix to make sure the eye socket doesn't get infected
what size tank have you got the fish in and with what other inhabitants
have you got a filter and was the tank cycled ?
the tank is 30 gallon but ive reduced it to like 3/4 including gravel ded, cos the tank is pretty old so the joints are susceptible to breaking. The tank atm has 3 bubble eyed goldfish, 3 red cap goldfish and 2 other goldfish, 2 plecs and the blackmoors. biggest one is probablt the blackmoors 1.5 inches. ive got 2 filters (sponge type?) i tested the water this morning and the the nitrites lvl was high, so my uncle whos got a tank, gave me some water, so ive done 50-75% water change of his to mine. and atm the waters ok. But i dont know if the bacteria needed to break down nitrites is present so i think its only a temporary solution. I havent got any melafix atm, anything else i can do. Ive read i should put the goldfish in the fridge so it hibernates?
Mikaila31
Always Watching
You have way too many fish in that tank. And it sounds like it is in the process of cycling. A 30 full is only big enough for 3 fancy goldfish I believe. How old the tank is doesn't matter, as long as the seals are in good condition it will hold water fine. If its holding water 3/4 full, it will not break when full IMO.
Don't put the goldfish in the fridge......
Don't put the goldfish in the fridge......
pippoodle
RIP Dear nan 22/03/1925 --11/03/2009
you need to be replacing the water with fresh dechlorinated (do this by buying dechlorinator from fish shop) tap water - not water from someone elses tank
DO NOT replace your water with old water or water straight from the tap
I doubt wether the fish will survive seeing as you are so overstocked and the filtering is inadequate
you need to either get a bigger tank or rehome most of the fish (to a pond preferably) , the filtering you have will not control the waste produced by the fish and the pleco
DO NOT PUT GOLDFISH or any other fish in the fridge
Sorry not picking just telling you what could be the problem in the tank
cheers sarah
when you do gravel vac how do you replace the water and how often do you change any of the water ?
have you been replacing with old water or tap water ?
Dont worry all of us have to start out somewhere -- good job you have found this site
DO NOT replace your water with old water or water straight from the tap
I doubt wether the fish will survive seeing as you are so overstocked and the filtering is inadequate
you need to either get a bigger tank or rehome most of the fish (to a pond preferably) , the filtering you have will not control the waste produced by the fish and the pleco
DO NOT PUT GOLDFISH or any other fish in the fridge
Sorry not picking just telling you what could be the problem in the tank
cheers sarah
when you do gravel vac how do you replace the water and how often do you change any of the water ?
have you been replacing with old water or tap water ?
Dont worry all of us have to start out somewhere -- good job you have found this site
kribensis12
I know where you live
The tank should be fine full. My 30G I am usuing( well, one of them anyways) is almost 40 yrs old, and hasnt had a problem. Never had to be sealed or anything.
lol i dont know what to do. Im beyond novice. dad and uncle are "experianced fish hobbyists" so ive listened to them, and the advice im getting is contradicting and if im acting against them its like im deliberatly trying to kill my fish. Ive got another tank in the garage that i'll stick in my room. so i need to get another filter? if the ammonia is ok then isnt the bacteria present meaning the filters are doing the job?
btw how can u tell if the sealent is still strong, in the one ive got it looks like theres some air passages in them (meaning its loosening?)
Ive changed the water twice today(i cant say usually cos ive only been using the tank for 3 weeks, but i'd say once a week? but cos of the ich disease ive read i should it it daily, but today ive changed the water once when i got the ich treatement, thought i could get the ich in the tomite stage and reduce the ich abit and used the treatemnt, and once just now when i used my uncles water. is that a big problem btw? cos if its ideal water (as in the fish that lives in the water is fine, isnt that the ideal water) its a massive tank, like 2-3 times my size so i dont know if its just being diluted as a result of the amount of water. so should i just leave my tank as it is and get some melafix in the morning and hope for the best? Yea lol this site owns. 1 am in the morning and gettin help, ownage x 10
btw how can u tell if the sealent is still strong, in the one ive got it looks like theres some air passages in them (meaning its loosening?)
Ive changed the water twice today(i cant say usually cos ive only been using the tank for 3 weeks, but i'd say once a week? but cos of the ich disease ive read i should it it daily, but today ive changed the water once when i got the ich treatement, thought i could get the ich in the tomite stage and reduce the ich abit and used the treatemnt, and once just now when i used my uncles water. is that a big problem btw? cos if its ideal water (as in the fish that lives in the water is fine, isnt that the ideal water) its a massive tank, like 2-3 times my size so i dont know if its just being diluted as a result of the amount of water. so should i just leave my tank as it is and get some melafix in the morning and hope for the best? Yea lol this site owns. 1 am in the morning and gettin help, ownage x 10
fatheadminnow
Fish Aficionado
Good advice form above.
I would not worry so much about the fish that has lost its eye, but I would worry about the other fish in your tank.
Why? Because you are in the middle of a fish-in cycle, and there are actions that need to be taken into consideration immediately.
With your Dad and Uncle being "experienced fish hobbyists" they most likely know about what it means when tank needs to be cycled, but I highly doubt they know what a fishless cycle is, and that is why you added fish when you got your tank without taking cycling the tank into consideration.
Read up here about a fish-in cycle, which you are currently in.
Receiving water from another mature tank is going to do nothing for you, as 99% of the Beneficial Bacteria live in the filter and a little on the substrate and decor, not in the water.
So, you need to read about a fish-in cycle, and start to do what it says.
Also, what Test Kit are you using?
-FHM
I would not worry so much about the fish that has lost its eye, but I would worry about the other fish in your tank.
Why? Because you are in the middle of a fish-in cycle, and there are actions that need to be taken into consideration immediately.
With your Dad and Uncle being "experienced fish hobbyists" they most likely know about what it means when tank needs to be cycled, but I highly doubt they know what a fishless cycle is, and that is why you added fish when you got your tank without taking cycling the tank into consideration.
Read up here about a fish-in cycle, which you are currently in.
Receiving water from another mature tank is going to do nothing for you, as 99% of the Beneficial Bacteria live in the filter and a little on the substrate and decor, not in the water.
So, you need to read about a fish-in cycle, and start to do what it says.
Also, what Test Kit are you using?
-FHM
the test kit im using is 'interpet - easy test' kit. tests ammonia, nitrite, nitrates and ph. it works fine to my knowledge, but £10 for 6 tests seems overpriced? (ive just read about a recommended one for £25. the guy at lfs said i could get more tablets from them for free, so its ok. so what can i actively do to reduce nitrite level?. ive read u can buy the bacteria that breaks down ammonia but not sure about nitrites. ( btw my filters are wrong, what type should i be using?)
i dont understand though, if the good bacteria is already in the sponge then how does change the water affect them? you talking about the bacteria that changes nitrites arent in the sponge so its not doing anything long term?
so the fish is going to be fine? it looks pretty sick, its optic nerve or somethings hanging out, so i dont know if its going out of its mind. But it seems to act as if nothing happened.
i dont understand though, if the good bacteria is already in the sponge then how does change the water affect them? you talking about the bacteria that changes nitrites arent in the sponge so its not doing anything long term?
so the fish is going to be fine? it looks pretty sick, its optic nerve or somethings hanging out, so i dont know if its going out of its mind. But it seems to act as if nothing happened.
fatheadminnow
Fish Aficionado
Have a read about that fish-in cycle that I have provided?
I will sum it up for ya!
When Ammonia is present in our tanks, form the fishes waste, Autotrophic bacteria will start to colonize in our filters that feed off of ammonia, and when they do this, the bi product is NitrIte.
Then, another type of Autotrophic bacteria will begin to colonize in our filters to process NitrIte into NitrAte.
There is no form of bacteria that will process NitrAte, so the only way to remove NitrAte is by doing water changes.
Once you have efficiently colonized enough bacteria in your filter to take care of the Ammonia and NitrIte, you have what is called a Cycled Tank!
The only factor to this process is time.
It takes time to colonize these bacteria, on average it takes 4-6 weeks.
So the reason why you are seeing NO ammonia, is because you have effectively colonized enough "Ammonia Eating" bacteria to take care of your ammonia, but you HAVE NOT effectively colonized enough "NitrIte Eating" bacteria YET, to take care of your NitrIte.
Another thing that you need to know is, AMMONIA and NITRITE is toxic to fish if when you take a test of your water and find that they are over .25 ppm.
It sounds like you got the Ammonia under control, but you still have high NitrIte, and if it is over .25 ppm, you are doing harm to the fish.
What you NEED to do is, Water changes.
Water changes will bring down the NitrIte level, and eventually your "NitrIte Eating" bacteria will colonize enough to take care of the high level of NitrIte.
There is NO need to add anything to your take to speed up the cycle, product wise. So, do not buy anything off-the-shelf product that your LFS suggest you should buy to speed up a cycle.
You said that you have a dad and uncle who have a tank. What you can do is get some of there Mature Filter Media, and put that into your filter. The media that they have already have the bacteria that you want on it, so this will help speed up the process for ya!
A good test kit is the API Freshwater Master Test Kit.
So, in the meantime, you NEED to do water changes to keep your NitrIte level below .25 ppm.
I would not worry about anything else at the moment, because you need to focus your attention on Cycling your tank. That is your main priority.
See if you cant get your dad or uncle to take some of your fish, that way you wont be too over-stocked.
Hope this helps clarify some things!?
Regards
-FHM
I will sum it up for ya!
When Ammonia is present in our tanks, form the fishes waste, Autotrophic bacteria will start to colonize in our filters that feed off of ammonia, and when they do this, the bi product is NitrIte.
Then, another type of Autotrophic bacteria will begin to colonize in our filters to process NitrIte into NitrAte.
There is no form of bacteria that will process NitrAte, so the only way to remove NitrAte is by doing water changes.
Once you have efficiently colonized enough bacteria in your filter to take care of the Ammonia and NitrIte, you have what is called a Cycled Tank!
The only factor to this process is time.
It takes time to colonize these bacteria, on average it takes 4-6 weeks.
So the reason why you are seeing NO ammonia, is because you have effectively colonized enough "Ammonia Eating" bacteria to take care of your ammonia, but you HAVE NOT effectively colonized enough "NitrIte Eating" bacteria YET, to take care of your NitrIte.
Another thing that you need to know is, AMMONIA and NITRITE is toxic to fish if when you take a test of your water and find that they are over .25 ppm.
It sounds like you got the Ammonia under control, but you still have high NitrIte, and if it is over .25 ppm, you are doing harm to the fish.
What you NEED to do is, Water changes.
Water changes will bring down the NitrIte level, and eventually your "NitrIte Eating" bacteria will colonize enough to take care of the high level of NitrIte.
There is NO need to add anything to your take to speed up the cycle, product wise. So, do not buy anything off-the-shelf product that your LFS suggest you should buy to speed up a cycle.
You said that you have a dad and uncle who have a tank. What you can do is get some of there Mature Filter Media, and put that into your filter. The media that they have already have the bacteria that you want on it, so this will help speed up the process for ya!
A good test kit is the API Freshwater Master Test Kit.
So, in the meantime, you NEED to do water changes to keep your NitrIte level below .25 ppm.
I would not worry about anything else at the moment, because you need to focus your attention on Cycling your tank. That is your main priority.
See if you cant get your dad or uncle to take some of your fish, that way you wont be too over-stocked.
Hope this helps clarify some things!?
Regards
-FHM
love4aquatic
Fish Addict
ok too many fish, mabey just one or two. and plecos get huge!! they shouldnt be kept in a 30 at all.
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