Clowns In Bio Orb 30l

[Ehudd]

Am i the only one that thinks this is wrong? http/www.fishforums.net/content-page/237...b-Pics/page/20/

 

[Colin_T]

It’s a small environment but ocellaris clowns don't get that big and neither does the yellow coral goby. As long as the water quality is monitored and kept up to scratch they should be ok. Obviously it would be nicer to see them in a bigger tank but it is a nano tank and is up to the individual keeping it.

 

[xxBarneyxx]

Hmmm personally I wouldn't. I had some serious debates with myself before I got clowns for my 58l and only ended up getting them after I had decided to add a fuge and in the worst case move them to a large tank. With the smaller water volume and MUCH smaller surface area in the bio-orb I dont think it is suitable for clowns (or any fish really) but that is just my opinion.

 

[Ehudd]

can u tell that to the bio orb thread, cos they dont listen.

 

[xxBarneyxx]

can u tell that to the bio orb thread, cos they dont listen.

Nah, for one I have nothing to prove it is wrong other then my gut feeling so cant really go and tell people they are doing something wrong just because I feel it is wrong. I would be interested in getting my hands on a bio-orb to measure disolved gas content and compare it to a same capacity tank in a regular shape.

For two its bordline if the bio-orb is suitable for fish or not so there is no point arguing about it with someone who thinks it is.

(I have an irrational hate of bio-orbs for keeping anything but the smallest of fish anyway so try to avoid any subjects about them ).

edit: Damn it I couldn't resist posting in there

 

[connorsbala]

I would say that two wouldnt be ok in a 30 l... but in the 60 litre i would say yes. My clowns have got very big within a year of having them...fat lil pigs
But, a LFS near me has a 30l with a pyjama cardinal, a maroon clown and a yellow tank all in a bi-orb 30l...

 

[Snooks1!]

It’s a small environment but ocellaris clowns don't get that big and neither does the yellow coral goby. As long as the water quality is monitored and kept up to scratch they should be ok. Obviously it would be nicer to see them in a bigger tank but it is a nano tank and is up to the individual keeping it.

Agreed, 100%


It's also up to the person owning the fish...They are entitled to keep their fish how they want, and if you disagree...it's just tough cookies for you. So long as the animals in question are in good health and well cared for, there's no problem.
This forum tends to have the problem that people can only keep fish in one particular way, and if you do anything else...then you're wrong. If it works, it works mate; and it does indeed appear to be working just fine.
Jenny also said that the tank had been dismantled, and the inhabitants were moved into a larger tank...so what's the point of complaining about it?

 

[n3ont3tra]

It's also up to the person owning the fish...They are entitled to keep their fish how they want, and if you disagree...it's just tough cookies for you. So long as the animals in question are in good health and well cared for, there's no problem.

That's the thing, they aren't exactly well cared for, you miss a day of top offs and your SG will change. That stresses the fish. Also, they always have to worry about that cleaner shrimp pestering them.

This forum tends to have the problem that people can only keep fish in one particular way, and if you do anything else...then you're wrong. If it works, it works mate; and it does indeed appear to be working just fine.

but for how long? a month? Clownfish can live for decades if taken care of properly.

Jenny also said that the tank had been dismantled, and the inhabitants were moved into a larger tank...so what's the point of complaining about it?

That's a different tank.

 

[Musho3210]

this fish looks happy too, it must be doing great!

http/tailhunter-international.com/upload...tags-731242.jpg

Ehud and barney nailed it

 

[Snooks1!]

That's the thing, they aren't exactly well cared for, you miss a day of top offs and your SG will change. That stresses the fish. Also, they always have to worry about that cleaner shrimp pestering them.

That's completely hypothetical...for all you know they make keep up with everything they need, and what-not...But, they may not...and I don't feel like badgering the person about it, nor do I want to get into it about the proper ethics of fish keeping.


I'm not saying it's entirely right...As I think every animal should have more than adequate room and care. But, if the person can properly care for them ( overlooking the tank size for the statement, mind you ) I don't see a problem in it. Hopefully the person will move the fish into a larger tank when the time comes, but if not...Then they just wasted hundreds for a fish to have it die due to bad care... They'll either a.) learn from their mistake and amend the problem, or b.) drop out of the hobby saving the lives of more fish ect.

 

[xxBarneyxx]

I have a cat I keep in a box that is 12x12x12 (inches). Its not dead so it must be fine, you cant have a go at me because its MY cat and I can keep it anyway I want. The box is airtight but I give it enough oxygen everyday to survive (hopefully I never forget to do that!).

People wouldn't accept this and I would likey go to court and be fined and banned from keeping animals. So why the hell should it be exceptable to do the same thing to another animal just becuase it is a fish?

This is a forum for fish keeping. When we see something that is so obviously unsuitable then we shouldn't just keep our mouths shut. Yes there are areas of the hobby where there are different points of view and different ways of doing things but keeping two clown fish in a 30l tank is wrong by any standards.

But, if the person can properly care for them ( overlooking the tank size for the statement, mind you ) I don't see a problem in it. Hopefully the person will move the fish into a larger tank when the time comes, but if not...Then they just wasted hundreds for a fish to have it die due to bad care... They'll either a.) learn from their mistake and amend the problem, or b.) drop out of the hobby saving the lives of more fish ect.

That’s the point, two clown fish in a 30l tank (and not just a 30l tank but a 30l tank with a very limited surface area) is not properly caring for them in any way, shape or form. The time comes to move them is now, even if they are small this tank is still not big enough. Saying that if they die it’s is the owners problem is irresponsible.

 

[steelhealr]

It's also up to the person owning the fish...They are entitled to keep their fish how they want, and if you disagree...it's just tough cookies for you. So long as the animals in question are in good health and well cared for, there's no problem.

Is this advice??

I am sorry but it will always be difficult for me NOT to comment on this. You can cram anything you want into your aquarium...it doesn't mean it's right...nor conscientious. I'm sorry. Clownfish don't belong in pico tanks or 10G tanks or 14G Bio-Orbs and because you see others with them like that, it doesn't make it correct or conscientious or healthy for the fish.

SH

 

[shibby]

i dont believe you can tell a fishes happiness from a few pictures, you have to observe them to get a grasp there only baby ones it looks like they have alot of life ahead of them and even clowns get to a good size, i wouldnt put the occerlaris pair in a 6foot at work in a 30l tank mainly becuase i would seriously at there current size expect them to fit.

 

[Ehudd]

i am happy how this turned out, not much flaming.
Its good that we dont all agree, but lets keep it calm, a good debate.
I think ppl should do a pro's and con's about it.

 

[matt21]

i personally agree with Snooks1 because all though many may feel its wrong and cruel but at the end of the day its the fishkeeper who is at fault if there fish dies and any number of you could say that, that fishkeeper was not doing it the right way when you could not know what that particular person does with their aquarium, also if that particular fish is put in a small tank from the moment it was born (presuming that the fish is captive bred) then invariably that fish is not going to know other wise and anyway the brain capacity of fish could be so small that that fish does not feel pain, we have not discovered as yet wether fish do have feelings and so cannot make the asumption that they feel pain and invariably know that there is a more natural habitat out there. and half the time many people actually feel that it is cruel to keep fish in a glass/plastic container full stop wether we may have mastered the art of water quality or not they still react in that way.