Cichlids

[Ben]

>>>and I assume most people are like me and like challenges.<<<
dont always assume things about others

and youve proved one of my points for me, this person is oviously a newbie at cichlids, and you say " Easy...no." and "May not be easy but he didnt ask for that" why would you want to make it hard for the person, a newbie should always start out easy(regardless of what newibe they are)and then graduly get more experienced and then move on to harder things, but since this is only the begining it should be easy for this person.

since youre not listening im leaving this thread nowZ

DD

 

[Paul_MTS]

what difference does it make you working in a pet store? whoop dee doo i work full time in a proper fish shop thanks and you have to filter out customers crap from the truth.

i think you'ved listened to a few too many..."in my day" stories.

I have very good personal experience with convicts and would not advice going any smaller than what i did it in, so no smaller than 25US gallons.

CTS Looking at your sig, I think you could quite happily fit a pair of rams or appistos in your 50 gallon. if it's well planted then you could easily get away with it.

 

[jimw13uk]

Glad you pointed out the "Real Life Experiences" in a Pet Store
Pet Stores dont exactly have the greatest reputations on most Fish Forums so I wouldnt boast about it.
If you worked in a dedicated Fish(Aquatics) center then maybe but giving bad advice cos some of your customers have done it is irresponsible.
Go and hunt round google and read up on convicts and get some independant expert advice and then you may see the bad advice your giving

 

[parker313]

I also wouldn't recommend convicts for a 10g. Sure, they'll live (hey, my lfs had some guy bring in 2 full grown angels and a monster plec that he'd been keeping in a 10g) but that doesn't mean it's the optimal living conditions.

I think a pair of Blue Rams (not Bolivians, they get bigger, as do Kribs) can do very well in a 10g, but as with other cichlids, they do even better in a larger tank.

For a 10g, you could have a pair of rams and 5-6 small tetras like neons.

I wouldn't recommend any other NW Cichlids for a 10g.

 

[nc_nutcase]

-Keep it simple... you have one person saying a pair of convicts will be fine in a 10 Gal... and about 12 that say your fish will be miserable and die...

-It is very likely the male will kill the female to protect the fry.

-Although I've seen 12 people living in a 2 bedroom house... it's not an arrangement I would want to live in. So why do that to your fish?

-Jezah... no one said anything that was rude or challenging to you or about your advice... we simply shared our perspectives and experience which highly conflicts with your suggestion... please do not project your aggression into other people’s words.

-When I recently researched dwarf cichlids everything I read and was told via this forum was that for a pair you need 20 US Gallons.

-Also one of the reasons people throw out "ya need a bigger tank" is because there are a lot of uneducated people out there who overstock a tank and assume that because they fish aren't dead... that everything is fine. Which is far from the truth. If you want to keep fish alive... that's one thing... if you want to keep fish as happy or content pets... then you need to supply the proper size tank.

 

[CTS]

If mere existence is all you're after, you're missing the point of aquaria.

Actually im not missing the point of aquaria. I posted this topic just to make sure that i could give the fish the best area for living. Now i see that i have to rethink my 10 gal. idea.

Please CTS if you want to know if this is possible go and post the same question on www.cichlid-forum.com - that is the best cichlid forum on the net and see what answers you get.

Thanks for the info. but i can see that my idea was not a good one., Maybe i 'll get a male and female blue ram.


Thanks everyone for your post, i see my decision was a bad one. (good thing i didnt go out and buy the fish)

 

[Black_Ghost_Guy]

Ok, wow. That is just plain bogus. I have seen often on here, that most of you tend to spout "bigger tanks, bigger tanks" no matter what the situation. A breeding pair can exist happily in a 10g, and face it, if a pair of Convicts are gonna kill each other...they will no matter what sized tank. I WORK at a pet store, and my info is based on lots of real-life experiences. Rams or other apistos would be a better choice for first cichlids...but convicts are usually much hardier. Convicts can function fine in a 10g, and though it may be slightly harder to keep the water parameters in check it is possible. Easy...no. Possible...yes. So if you want to have a pair of convicts in a 10g, go ahead. May not be easy but he didnt ask for that, and I assume most people are like me and like challenges.

Awful information, you should not be supplying information on subjects in which you apparently know little about. You can not keep a pair of convicts in 10 gallon for life, or even very long. I could care less that you work at a fish shop, what this person needs is correct information, which you are not supplying. We all have loads of personal experience with situations such as this that are posting here as far as I know. I have no idea why you seem so intent to flame anyone that at all disagrees with you...

 

[parker313]

If you do the rams, it's pretty imperative that you get a male female pair. If you get 2 females or even 2 males, they could kill each other. In a 10g, make sure that there are plenty of hiding places for one or the other to retreat to if they feel threatened.

 

[CTS]

If you do the rams, it's pretty imperative that you get a male female pair. If you get 2 females or even 2 males, they could kill each other. In a 10g, make sure that there are plenty of hiding places for one or the other to retreat to if they feel threatened.

yes, i will be getting a male female pair. Thats for sure!!!

 

[Jezah]

I would get Blue Rams, seriosuly. I will approach this as you being a newbie to Cichlids, as I got in trouble for not doing that earlier. Blue Rams die if you look at them the wrong way, lol. They are SO sensitive. The water has to be perfect, and even then you run a risk of them just not liking the water and dying. I would get Bolivian Rams or, tentativly Keyholes...though a bigger tank would be better for Keyholes. Bolivian rams are not AS colorful as blues, but are hardier and just as fun to watch. If you are interested in breeding as well, Bolivans make much better parents. I would try Bolivians, not Blues. You will be heartbroken if you buy Blues because they will most likely die on you.

P.S. Are you SET on Cichlids. Because some puffers can make fun additions to a 10g. Puffers are as smart as Cichlids and fun little characters. Unfortunatly you REALLY cant have anything else with puffers if you dotn want it eaten. Lol.

P.S.S. Black_ghost_guy....this is the second time in 2 posts you have been rude to me. I am sick of it. I know plently about what I am talking about, but apparently you seem to think you are a genius. Fine oh smart holy one, tell me, why dont you help instead of antagonize and troll?

 

[Black_Ghost_Guy]

I would get Blue Rams, seriosuly. I will approach this as you being a newbie to Cichlids, as I got in trouble for not doing that earlier. Blue Rams die if you look at them the wrong way, lol. They are SO sensitive. The water has to be perfect, and even then you run a risk of them just not liking the water and dying. I would get Bolivian Rams or, tentativly Keyholes...though a bigger tank would be better for Keyholes. Bolivian rams are not AS colorful as blues, but are hardier and just as fun to watch. If you are interested in breeding as well, Bolivans make much better parents. I would try Bolivians, not Blues. You will be heartbroken if you buy Blues because they will most likely die on you.

P.S. Are you SET on Cichlids. Because some puffers can make fun additions to a 10g. Puffers are as smart as Cichlids and fun little characters. Unfortunatly you REALLY cant have anything else with puffers if you dotn want it eaten. Lol.

P.S.S. Black_ghost_guy....this is the second time in 2 posts you have been rude to me. I am sick of it. I know plently about what I am talking about, but apparently you seem to think you are a genius. Fine oh smart holy one, tell me, why dont you help instead of antagonize and troll?

I did help, I corrected you for blasting out incorrect information. Also, you have no idea how hypocritical and arrogant you are appearing with these comments. And with what you have stated in this thread, it makes me very much doubt that you do indeed know much about this topic...

 

[Ben]

i knew this would happen, i said i wouldnt come back but i have to

CTS - a pair of bolivian rams would do fine in your tank, and you could even add a pair of blue rams,people over exagerate how fragile theyare, they really arnt.

Jezah - BGG is right, youre coming off as an arrogant and ignorant person im not happy with this at all, this thread has gone way out of hand so im obliged to report it to a mod

DD

 

[Jezah]

Go right ahead. I got flamed in another post by BGG, and mods did nothing then. They wont do anything now. I am just tired of BGG doing nothing helpful and dissing me. He didnt say "You information isnt correct IME, and I would recommend Blah Blah and Blah" no, he simply told me, pretty much, that I am a idiot. I resent this and I almost quit this forum once cause of BGG, and I am thinking of it again. He is just a mean person, and absolutly not helpful. I am leaving this post now, as I do NOT need this harrasment. I was trying to help, and I didnt expect to be reemed out by a bunch of people. I know better then to comment on cichlids, you cichlid guys are much to like your fish. Aggressive and vicious.

 

[littlefishie]

Jezah, you've barely been here two months. There's no reason to feel the need to leave so soon.. you have to give the rest of the forum a chance.

And btw, other than my rams I'm not a cichlid keeper, and I know that cons in a ten gallon is a bad idea.

If you break up the lines of sight with plants and rocks, you can definitely do a pair of German Blues in a ten though.. you just have to be diligent with water changes.

 

[freddyk]

[/QUOTE]What are you talking about Freddyk? Rams wont take over a tank...where did you get THAT info...? ]

I think you misread my post. Rams (as a generalization) were one of the very few I recommended.