Breeding Setup Help

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Help needed.... We are complete novices in the breeding of fish (tropical)..We have kept fish for a lot of years but never breed.... Is there a link or topic or website showing how to set up a multi tank system? Including heating filtratration etc. We are better off with pictures as well. We want about 10ish small tanks/cubes and growing on tanks, isolation etc etc. Room/area is not a problem. Money is not really a problem (dont think anyway). So, if anyone can help or piont us in the right direction, we will be very ap...apre appreci.... Oh well....happy.
 
Alot of people just keep a tank of breeding fish together, if there livebearers then just stick mum in another tank before birth, wait till she's squeezed them all out and put her back in (then obviously rearing the fry in there own tank). Or if there egg layers then remove the eggs from the main tank and put them on there own also :) (Mouth brooders can be treated the same as live bearers, only make sure to wait untill the female is holding before isolating her).
 
Alot of people just keep a tank of breeding fish together, if there livebearers then just stick mum in another tank before birth, wait till she's squeezed them all out and put her back in (then obviously rearing the fry in there own tank). Or if there egg layers then remove the eggs from the main tank and put them on there own also :) (Mouth brooders can be treated the same as live bearers, only make sure to wait untill the female is holding before isolating her).

Thankyou for taking the time to answer. We apreciate it... But our help is more on the lines of setting up a breeding room, ie tanks, pipework, filters,heaters etc etc etc.......Best regards...
 
Fair enough :) I would assume that as you stated you are "complete novices" that you'd choose to keep it as simple as, clearly you have grander plans in order. I believe a mod such as Tolak would give you some sound advice, im fairly certain he breeds angels in the US :)
 
You asked for pics; http://www.fishforums.net/content/forum/20.../Fishroom-Tour/

As I stated towards the end, I'm in the process of finishing up a rack for five 40-gallon tanks, with three 20-gallon tanks wedged in on the end facing the doorway;

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I have since redone the rack with fry tanks, needed a bit more room to work.

Anyhow, things I have learned redoing my fishroom several times; ventilation to reduce humidity & the mold problem, get a sturdy stepstool for higher tanks before you fall & break your neck, make water changes as quick & easy as possible, and without a doubt invest in a ground fault interrupter for all electrical circuits.

I'll get some hardware pics later, while I'm watching the Bears on MNF. For ventilation to decrease humidity I have a bath fan on a timer, venting out a dryer vent installed in a glass block window. It's only a 70 cfm fan, I could go up to a 180 cfm if it starts to get too humid, the 70cfm was on sale some time ago. I sealed up any leaks in it with ductape, cheap efficiency fix. Mold growth is a health hazard, in extreme cases it will cause structural damage, which I've seen a couple of cases of.

GFI outlets or breakers keep you from being electrocuted, water & electricity is a dangerous mix. The stepstool was my mom's contribution, after she saw me put a 2x6 on a bucket, and stand on it to reach the back of a top tank.

Build racks the same as you would a sturdy outdoor deck, you will be doing more working on breeding tanks than your regular show tanks. Building your own racks saves you money, and you can customize them to fit your particular area. When building racks take into consideration your own body build, this will determine how high, or even how low, you can put tanks to work on with any amount of ease. You will want about 50% of the tank's depth above the tank for working room, any less and it becomes a tight squeeze. This is what works for my 6", 215# body.

For filtration I prefer a centralized air system, easy to work with, pulls fewer watts. When you get past about 10 tanks in a small area all the electrical cords start to become a problem. I have an air pump that pulls 60w, and filters all the tanks, the only exception is the 55 with gravel, which has a couple of canisters. I used to run hob's & sponges with a bunch of smaller pumps, the one large pump paid for itself in a year. This provides isolation of all tanks, and with sponge & box filters provides bio & mechanical filtration. Push enough air through a box filter with floss, and it will provide as good if not better filtration than a hob, at a fraction of the cost, as well as being easier to maintain.

For heat I do run individual heaters, it is an 8'x16' room when I roughed it out. It's well insulated, with a suspended ceiling to maintain temperature, which sits in the upper 70's. I have a heat duct cut into the main branch of my forced air heating system, which works out well for the winter months, but must be boarded up during summer, when I run the ac. A smaller room with all the tanks works out better heating wise than a larger room, as the tanks hold the heat better. If I had double the room & tanks I would invest in a small gas direct vent heater, the room doesn’t have enough air space to run even the smallest one I can find.

For water changes I have a variety of gizmos, from air line tubing on dowel rods to siphon fry tanks, to J shaped sections of ¾” pvc attached to hose for larger tanks with larger fish. I drain the larger tanks into a 35-gallon Rubbermaid garbage can; this has a 1400 gph pump attached to a garden hose that runs to my sump pump at the other end of the basement. A potable water rv hose attaches to my utility sink for filling, and lets me mix hot & cold to match tank temperature. This way I can drain one tank while filling another, saves time.

As I stated, I’ll post some pics later, any more questions ask away!
 
WOW Tolak, i never knew yopu put so much into your fish!!!!!!! They must be garentied( spelling?) to be stellar one's!!!!!!!! I just set up a spare 10 gallon to put the babies in, and leave a tank for the parent's to them selves( when it comes to cichlid's or difficulte livebearer's!).
 
Here’s a pic of my air pump, an Alita AL-60, 68lpm at 2.0psi. It’s next to a 55 gallon, for size reference, and the fishroom is below my son’s room, for noise reference. It’s a very quiet pump, rated at 65-75 outlets. I’m running somewhere around 45 ATM, and bleeding off air. The flex tube connection helps to keep vibrations from transferring to the pvc;

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The exhaust fan; I have it on a timer so it runs 3 times daily for about 1 ½ hours. Hanging from the pvc looks rigged, I could have easily screwed it to the wall, but hanging it causes less vibration to be transferred, thus less noise. There is a piece of foam behind it as well. I could also have picked up pipe hangers for cheap, but the drywall screws with wire gives me places to hand things such as nets. I like to think space utilization as well;

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The front three 4x4 posts are used, traded fish for them. The plywood decking was free as well, pulled from a flatbed trailer. Most of the hardware used building it was free also. Most of my tanks are used, the cheaper you can get by the better;

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Quick shot of the rearranged fry tanks, down lower under the 55, plus my dog’s ear snuck in the corner;

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For water changes I use a siphon hose setup, that goes into the garbage can with the pump. I have differing lengths of pvc for the ends of the drain, they stop draining when they run out of water. The can pump is plugged into a switchable outlet on the floor, so I can shut it on & off;

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Lighting is any cheap flouro fixture I can find, unless you have live plants you don’t need much light.


When I’m draining 5gpm with that siphon hookup, adult angels will get sucked flat to the ¾” pvc, fry will go on the ride of their life. I have pre-filter sponges that go over the end;

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Here’s a typical filtration setup on a tank with a pair of silvers. The sponge filters are low flow bio filtration, the box filters I leave on a slow bubble when I’m not home, as they get noisy when you open them up, think mad scientist laboratory. I usually open them up in the evening, as long as my son who works some wild rotating shifts isn’t trying to get some shuteye;

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Like I said, I was watching the Bears/Vikings game on MNF;

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Next to a row of tanks I need to set up;

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With my little dog Kazimeras. He’s my fishroom assistant, he eats stray fish food that hits the floor, it makes his ears grow;

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I have plenty of buddies who are breeders, fellow club members. They all have fishrooms more or less like mine, just set up for what works best for them. One guy has an auto water changing system, which is something I plan on messing with using the drilled 40’s with the overflows. He has siphon overflows on his setup, which are somewhat easier to set up than drilled overflows, but sometimes have reliability problems. Other breeders swear by the pre-fabbed gorrila racks for tanks, which work fine, but are costly and not as space efficient as racks made for a particular stand. Many of the old timers leave the tanks uncovered, this leads to horrible condensation problems. I use the cheap light diffuser panels made for recessed lighting in dropped ceilings.

For bigger setups, in the range of 60+ tanks, centralized filtration is the way to go, but there are always cross contamination concerns. Many folks with this size setup have a separate room or even building for quar tanks, as with this setup if one tank gets some sort of disease they are all exposed. A happy compromise with this sort of setup is banks of tanks with several centralized filtrations systems with several pumps, but this does make it less cost efficient to run.
 
For bigger setups, in the range of 60+ tanks, centralized filtration is the way to go, but there are always cross contamination concerns. Many folks with this size setup have a separate room or even building for quar tanks, as with this setup if one tank gets some sort of disease they are all exposed. A happy compromise with this sort of setup is banks of tanks with several centralized filtrations systems with several pumps, but this does make it less cost efficient to run.

Thankyou very much for that, it will be very helpfull and usefull. I cant wait to get started, but there is a little thing called Christmas thats in the way. Dont want to sound ba humbug, but cant wait untill its over. Once again, thankyou......
 

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