Breeding Angelfish

[dave1987]

hi im getting a proven breeding pair of angel fish 2day and was wondering if liquifry would be ok for the fry thanks in advance

 

[scooterchick]

Probaby not the best place to post this, it's not really an emergency. Try the chiclids forum or tropical chat.

 

[dave1987]

ok sorry i was in a rush but it is an emergency 2 me because i need something asap just another question how would i set up my tank iv got the fish the sponge filter and airstone and heater do i have to put the filter at 1 end and the slate at the other and were do i put the airstone thanks in advance

 

[WILDER]

Airstone usually in the middle of the tank so the water dosnt get in the light fitting, best to have a gang valve with airstone so you can turn the flow up and down.
Heater in the middle but need a heater guard.

 

[Tolak]

Angels lay 200+ eggs, you will be lucky to have 10 survivors with liquifry. Look into setting up a baby brine shrimp hatchery, the fry need live microfood to survive the first few weeks.

Get a submersable heater, and mount it more horizontally.

 

[dave1987]

thanks guys il get a heater guard i have the heater on about a 30 degree angle is that ok

 

[dave1987]

Airstone usually in the middle of the tank so the water dosnt get in the light fitting, best to have a gang valve with airstone so you can turn the flow up and down.
Heater in the middle but need a heater guard.

ok do i put the slate at the opisite end to the sponge filter and is there anything that i can do 2 help them 2 start spawining also iv put a pic on 2 show you all how beautifull they are this is this morning they have seemed to settle in ok also the water is not yellow its the wallpaper behind it any comment welcome thanks in advance

 

[dave1987]

also is there anything that i could do to help speed up the process of them breeding thanks in advance

 

[dave1987]

bump

 

[dave1987]

bump

 

[WILDER]

Best of posting in the cichlid part of the forum.

 

[Tolak]

also is there anything that i could do to help speed up the process of them breeding thanks in advance

Daily water changes of about 25%, with water that is a couple of degrees cooler. You want the heat in the mid 80's, and you want a variety protein rich food. Live food is a plus, live brine shrimp or bloodworms, I've been using live blackworms for a while with my breeders, I have a line on a cheap supply. Flake food for breeders is like a human living on a diet of potato chips when trying to get in condition for a sporting event. Feed smaller amounts of live or frozen food twice daily, and flakes once daily. Once they are spawning change at least 50% of the water weekly, the last few gallons being a few degrees cooler.

Do not skimp on fresh or frozen brine shrimp! When conditioning angels for breeding you are doing what amounts to overfeeding. Angels, like most cichlids, are prone to constipation, the roughage of the brine shrimp helps keep them regular. You might want to consider fasting for one day weekly until you get the hang of how much heavy protein foods to feed in proportion to lighter foods with more roughage. The guideline of feeding only the amount they can eat in 3 minutes is out the window in this situation. Here's a link to an article about getting more difficult N.W. fish to spawn; http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/breedi...%20seasons.html

You don't need an airstone in the breeders tank if you have a sponge filter. It will actually be more of a disadvantage, as you want as little water flow as possible, while still creating enough surface agitation to keep the O2 at a good level. Too much water flow with prevent the sperm the male produces from properly fertilizing the eggs. Save the airstone for a hatching tank if you need to pull spawns, as most angels are not good parents, and end up eating the eggs, wigglers, or fry.

It's better for the life of your air pump if you bleed air off instead of choking it. Get a gang valve, have the sponge filter on one outlet, and use the other outlet to bleed air off outside the tank. If this is done in an area where you can't have a constant hissing noise, just add an air line to the bleed, and rubber band a rag around the end.

Now is when you want to experiment with getting bbs down, different water parameters need different things. This is one of the better sites for learning about bbs; http/www.brineshrimpdirect.com/

You are also going to have to plan ahead for tank space, dime body size angels need about ½ gallon each, nickels about 1 gallon each. This site has a lot of good ideas for starting out with angel breeding; http/webrbiz.com/angelfish/amh.html

Just a couple more links that may help, here’s my bbs hatchery; http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=136880&hl=

It has been moved to up higher on the wall since that pic was taken, and runs off of centralized air now.


Here’s a link to some recent pics of my fishroom, which might help give you some ideas. As you can see, some of the growout tanks are not tanks at all; http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=209553&hl=

 

[dave1987]

wow thanks 4 teh great advice and what a massive setup you have my girlfriend would never let me have soemthing like that and it woudl take me 50years to get it all lol.just a couple more questions do i put the sponge filter at 1 end and the slate at the other end my angels aint eating that much at the moment i think it was tha stress of travelling but there having a little nibble thanks again

 

[dave1987]

bump

 

[Tolak]

I try to set up a spawning site as far from any water flow as possible, which means at the other end away from the sponge filter. Angels will tend to spawn on nearly anything vertical, this means the up tube of the sponge filter is often an attractive site. A couple of silk plants in front of the tube helps, they may spawn on the plants. I also lay the filters down at a pretty severe angle for pairs that like the up tube, making it a less suitable place to spawn.