Black Patches On Black Neon Tetra (now With Picture)

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jumbob

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Hi

This is similar to something we posted the other day, but there's been some update. Wilder gave a suggestion or two, but I'd like some more thoughts as they didn't seem to quite match up.

We've got a 28L tank with 5 black neon tetras and 2 guppies stocked in it. The fish tank was set up about two and a half months ago. The tank was left running without fish for three weeks just a few plants and filter/heater/light during which time we were regularly adding Nutrafin Cycle. We had the water checked by the lfs who said the water was fine and we then added 4 Black Neon Tetras.

Initially we had problems with Nitrite levels (not that toxic but not 0, around 0.2) and narrowed this down to high nitrites in our tap water and have since resolved this with a water filter a couple of weeks ago, and have done a few water changes since then. We then added a couple more tetras bring the total to six. Tank stats are now:

Amonia 0
Nitrite < 0.1 (practically zero, you can only just discern any colour in the test)
Nitrate 5
PH 7.8

A couple of weeks ago we noticed that a couple of the tetras had small splits in their fins (nothing major) and one had the top fifth of his tail fin go missing (this has since mostly grown back). There have been no signs of fin rot and we put this down to the largest tetra nipping. These fin issues may be irrelevant but since we noticed them the same two tetras have had small black patches develop on their bodies some pin-head in size some about 1-2mm in diameter.

Yesterday one of these tetras was rapidly opening and closing rapidly its mouth (his gills were not going too quickly) and laying in one of the plants we have vertically, almost upside down and appeared to be in distress. We decided (agonisingly) that it would be best to euthanise the tetra as it was clearly in pain.

We're now worried about the other tetra with these patches, it has two on each side of its body. The fish seems fine (mind you so did the other for a while) and is eating and swimming normally. None of the other tetras have these black patches but we are worried it may be contagious.

We've researched fairly heavily on the internet but can not isolate what the problem is. Can anyone help?
 
It really doesn't look like the pictures of black spot that I've seen. And there are no snails in the tank - we've added no new plants or substate since we first got the tank.

I'm really stumped, and also getting pretty worried about it.
 
Seen this somewhere it start with a m and it usally bacterial.
I would try a bacterial med for now.

Look under black patches.
http://www.fbas.co.uk/ASK3.html#widows

Do you know if the fish have ever been kept with neon tetra's.
 
It doesn't seem bloated or swollen at all, in fact it may be slightly off it's food. So i don't think it's myxobacteriosis.
 
Thanks black angel that it could remember the name, got it some where but couldn't find it.
 
A few weeks ago we tried to diagnose a problem with our tetras but we've had no luck so far. It seems to be very slow in progressing, (please see earlier post for description).

We lost a second fish to the illness today and a third tetra is showing signs of developing the illness.

Just a couple of things to add to the previous information.

Are stats are still the same, there has been a very minor nitrite fluctuation due to tap water conditions but it has never really been above 0.1 and only non zero for short periods of time.

The manager of the LFS thinks from description that it is black spot and seemed very knowledgable. I'm leaning towards myxobacteriosis. If you've seen this before please help diagnose this because I'm afraid we'll lose all of our tetras to this.

Here's a picture:

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Myxobacteriosis


Symptoms: Symptoms may include black patches on the body and fins. The body may become bloated or swollen in some areas.

Treatment: As far as I know, there is only one medication designed specifically for myxobacteriosis--Phenocide by Aquatronics.

Information: This infection is rather uncommon but fairly easy to treat. Its probability is intensified by overcrowding and poor water quality with high levels of ammonia and / or nitrites.
 
Anyone else got any suggestions for this??? I'd rather not medicate until I know what it is, based on someone who can say that they've seen the same thing before.

Thanks
 
Take the fish for a skin scraping to the lfs, or a vet, sorry.
 

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