Bio-spira Sw (salt Water Bacteria)

[el_vulture619]

Is it that hard to let the tank cycle?? Waking up in the middle of the night to change water??!! All you have to do is let the tank run for a month with something dead in it, how hard is that??

I just dont see what the rush is. Your fish will still be available when the tank is ready. All that work and worry because you cant wait. get a snail if you need something to watch in the mean time.

 

[gkaugustine]

Is it that hard to let the tank cycle?? Waking up in the middle of the night to change water??!! All you have to do is let the tank run for a month with something dead in it, how hard is that??

I just dont see what the rush is. Your fish will still be available when the tank is ready. All that work and worry because you cant wait. get a snail if you need something to watch in the mean time.

Well my friend as you can see the ammonia has drastically changed compared to the norm, and as to me waiting i do not mind that is why they thread was called an experiment. I know some of you grandfathers are stuck in your old ways of cycling but this is the technological age, your using a computer and the internet to communicate and research correct? All i am doing is using research to test if some methodologies can be improved. With that said just keep an eye on the post because i will be posting my results for today. and thanks everyone for the positive and negative feedback.

Keep and open mind

 

[Musho3210]

hmm, the grandfather thing is incorrect, the old way is to use fish to cycle, the new way is not to use fish, so you are stuck in the old way mixed with a tiny bit of the uncommon new way.

 

[gkaugustine]

hmm, the grandfather thing is incorrect, the old way is to use fish to cycle, the new way is not to use fish, so you are stuck in the old way mixed with a tiny bit of the uncommon new way.

lol you are funny. That wasn't even the point of my last post but i don't want to argue.

 

[el_vulture619]

grand fathers compared to young kids.... Ill listen to my grandfather over my little brother ANY time!

How is your ammonia? Is it 0 now? If it is , how many water changes and worry did you have to go thu to get to that piont?

 

[Dorkhedeos]

hmm, the grandfather thing is incorrect, the old way is to use fish to cycle, the new way is not to use fish, so you are stuck in the old way mixed with a tiny bit of the uncommon new way.

Musho, please stop trying to put him down in the dumps. What he did already happened and theres nothing that you can do about it anymore. Instead if trying to say he did wrong, wouldnt it be more helpful to just give advice? If gkau had no idea what he was doing, and all you did was keep saying he was wrong, his fish would suffer even more. This forum is to help people with their problems and answer peoples questions, it wasnt made for trying to see whos better than the other. What you see as incorrect, some people might see it as the correct way. Cycling with fish is correct, and cycling without fish is also correct, its just whether the fish is put through stress or not. In my opinion, the only incorrect method is to just dump all your fish in there at once, but this is partially solved when biospira was made. I personally used the the sorta cycling with fish by dumping 6 neons in there and some guppies in there. Only 1 neon survived, but are you going to say i am a horrible person for what i did when i was 13 which was almost 5 years ago? Probably not. What i did was incorrect, but in my experiences, the more mistakes you make, the faster you learn and the better you remember things. When you say that it "doesnt mean you should skip the cycle", it doesnt really make sense because in a cycle, you are waiting for those bacteria to form on your media so you can add fish. Adding biospira pretty much completes the cycle and allows the tank to handle a low-average bio-load almost immediately and adding it is pretty much necessary to prevent the bacteria from dying off.

Well, this is the longest post ive ever written in 4 years, so ill stop now

 

[Musho3210]

I understand you but this guy knew exactly what he was doing, he knew that ammonia and nitrite are deadly and he knows about fishless cycle. But he didnt do a fishless, he continued on. I am someone who has done a fish cycle, they all survived, yippee, within 2 months all cycling fish died strange deaths, one was probably TB cause it had a really bent spine, another one has cullumnaris with all those red worms coming out of its arse, things worsened, all fish and shrimp died in that tank. I threw everything away in that tank and started a new tank, fishless cycle, planted, no deaths at all. And funny thing is i am much more lazy and dont do some things on the new tank while on the first tank i followed the rules.

This isnt to say everyone who uses fish to cycle will have a terrible tank crash, heck mine could have been a coincedence. But really, when someone KNOWS that ammonia and nitrite is bad but still does it.... His post said that he put fish in after bio-spira like he was told to by who knows, then he says he didnt want to put stress on the fish but isnt doing anything about ammonia or nitrite. He knows what to do. He can say he doesnt but read his posts. He is experimenting on fish for gods sake! Am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have a fish in 3.0 ppm of ammonia-3.00 ppm of nitrite???!?!?!?!?! Its been 8 days of the fish going through pain, i couldnt even sniff ammonia fumes from silicone for a second but you find it ok for a fish to breath it in for a few days at high toxic levels? Its a wonder how hypocritical some people can be..... Most people here says cycling with fish is bad, now you are saying the exact opposite? I mean come on.... I repeat, am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have a fish in 3.0ppm of ammonia-3.0 ppm of nitrite???!?!?!?!?! or am i the only who is getting bashed for it.

You know what, let the darn fish suffer, it may survive, it may not, doesnt matter im outta here.

 

[ac106]

I understand you but this guy knew exactly what he was doing, he knew that ammonia and nitrite are deadly and he knows about fishless cycle. But he didnt do a fishless, he continued on. I am someone who has done a fish cycle, they all survived, yippee, within 2 months all cycling fish died strange deaths, one was probably TB cause it had a really bent spine, another one has cullumnaris with all those red worms coming out of its arse, things worsened, all fish and shrimp died in that tank. I threw everything away in that tank and started a new tank, fishless cycle, planted, no deaths at all. And funny thing is i am much more lazy and dont do some things on the new tank while on the first tank i followed the rules.

This isnt to say everyone who uses fish to cycle will have a terrible tank crash, heck mine could have been a coincedence. But really, when someone KNOWS that ammonia and nitrite is bad but still does it.... His post said that he put fish in after bio-spira like he was told to by who knows, then he says he didnt want to put stress on the fish but isnt doing anything about ammonia or nitrite. He knows what to do. He can say he doesnt but read his posts. He is experimenting on fish for gods sake! Am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have a fish in 3.0 ppm of ammonia-3.00 ppm of nitrite???!?!?!?!?! Its been 8 days of the fish going through pain, i couldnt even sniff ammonia fumes from silicone for a second but you find it ok for a fish to breath it in for a few days at high toxic levels? Its a wonder how hypocritical some people can be..... Most people here says cycling with fish is bad, now you are saying the exact opposite? I mean come on.... I repeat, am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have a fish in 3.0ppm of ammonia-3.0 ppm of nitrite???!?!?!?!?! or am i the only who is getting bashed for it.

You know what, let the darn fish suffer, it may survive, it may not, doesnt matter im outta here.

He was told by the makers of bio-spira. That is whole point of the product. please lurk more

 

[Dorkhedeos]

I understand you but this guy knew exactly what he was doing, he knew that ammonia and nitrite are deadly and he knows about fishless cycle. But he didnt do a fishless, he continued on. I am someone who has done a fish cycle, they all survived, yippee, within 2 months all cycling fish died strange deaths, one was probably TB cause it had a really bent spine, another one has cullumnaris with all those red worms coming out of its arse, things worsened, all fish and shrimp died in that tank. I threw everything away in that tank and started a new tank, fishless cycle, planted, no deaths at all. And funny thing is i am much more lazy and dont do some things on the new tank while on the first tank i followed the rules.

This isnt to say everyone who uses fish to cycle will have a terrible tank crash, heck mine could have been a coincedence. But really, when someone KNOWS that ammonia and nitrite is bad but still does it.... His post said that he put fish in after bio-spira like he was told to by who knows, then he says he didnt want to put stress on the fish but isnt doing anything about ammonia or nitrite. He knows what to do. He can say he doesnt but read his posts. He is experimenting on fish for gods sake! Am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have a fish in 3.0 ppm of ammonia-3.00 ppm of nitrite???!?!?!?!?! Its been 8 days of the fish going through pain, i couldnt even sniff ammonia fumes from silicone for a second but you find it ok for a fish to breath it in for a few days at high toxic levels? Its a wonder how hypocritical some people can be..... Most people here says cycling with fish is bad, now you are saying the exact opposite? I mean come on.... I repeat, am i the only one who thinks its wrong to have a fish in 3.0ppm of ammonia-3.0 ppm of nitrite???!?!?!?!?! or am i the only who is getting bashed for it.

You know what, let the darn fish suffer, it may survive, it may not, doesnt matter im outta here.

I never said cycling with fish was good, I just said it was one of the many correct methods. I agree that its wrong to have a fish in water with ammonia in it, but if thats your only problem with this thread, youve made your point in the first post. You say that "some people" are hypocritical, which is probably referring to us who dont completely agree with you, but have you ever thought you are hypocritical yourself? I am assuming you do not like to see fish suffer, but for some odd reason, you just want to let it suffer now. It makes no sense to me. Eh, I dont feel like starting an argument right now, so just keep that in mind.

 

[Dave Legacy]

Is it that hard to let the tank cycle?? Waking up in the middle of the night to change water??!! All you have to do is let the tank run for a month with something dead in it, how hard is that??

I just dont see what the rush is. Your fish will still be available when the tank is ready. All that work and worry because you cant wait. get a snail if you need something to watch in the mean time.

el_vulture619,

The product was used as instructed and failed due to being applied to brackish conditions. I had no choice but to put strain on myself in order to relieve strain from my newly aquired fish. Right a wrong if you will. I've done 3 fishless cycles since with seeded media from other tanks, no problem. Bio-spira has been successful for some, unfortunetly adding a full bio-load of fish is required by the manufacture.

It's a false statement to say the fish will still be available when the tank is ready. I've gone 6 months w/o locating true Toxotes jaculatrix in any of the major LFS in Southern California. Before responding with, "I see archers every day"... I said "True" T. jaculatrix, not T. microlepis sold as T. jacs. Sometimes people are in a hurry and willing to take a risk, but those people should not complain about the potentially negative outcome. Regardless, the product works but not withing 24hrs.

- Dave Legacy

 

[Dave Legacy]

You know what, let the darn fish suffer, it may survive, it may not, doesnt matter im outta here.

Unbelieveable that you'd still be bitching and complaining over this topic. I also hate to see wildlife suffer, especially at the hands of careless and/or unexperience keepers. It's even worse within the aquarium hobby due to the fact that a large majority of the species are wild caught meaning that the wild population is directly affected. Having to replace each fish makes an even heavier impact. One might argue that it's cruel and inhumane to keep wild caught animals, or even captive-bred animals, at all. I can relate to your frustration, but your responses to this situation is just too over the top with exaggeration. I half expect you to commit arsen on a local Wal-Mart's Aquatic Department out of protest.

I'm holding you to your quote, "Im outta here", because I can't bear to read another one of your posts. This is a great forum, but I'm failing to see the benefit of keeping this thread open since it's just transformed into a huge flame fest.

I will say that pacients will get you a long way, and bring great success, in this hobby. A fishless cycle with help ensure a minimal stress on your newly aquired fish (whom may have been wild caught and suffered a great distance in transit). I recommend using seeded filter media from established/matured tanks to "jump start" a cycle for those who find it hard to wait. =)

- Dave Legacy

 

[dale_d_h]

I think just to summarise, these products etc are only meant to be used when needed. that is when you really have to. if you have a tank set-up with no fish that need to go into that tank right away, always i repeat ALWAYS do a fishless cycle. don’t chuck "just a Mollie" in and don’t use a fish as sensitive as a GSP. there is no need to experiment with fish by giving them the stress that them results must of coursed. I hope the GSP is doing fine.