Bichir Courtship

[invader]

As most of you know, I have a Poly. senegalus and a Poly. ornatipinnis. I found out how to sex them a while back and found that the sen. is a male and the ornate is a female. Now, for the past week or so, the sen. seems very interested in the ornate. He nuzzles her, lays on her and grabs her with his pectoral fins. Is this a sign of him being interested in mating? I have no desire to breed them, but I think it's interesting if they are a pair.

 

[geo7x]

After a quick search on the internet "nudging" (or nuzzling not much difference) is a part of courtship however it doesn't appear to involve anything to do with grabbing each other with pectoral fins.

I think it's probably a dominance thing

 

[beblondie]

COURTSHIP
I have seen this courtship behavior in P. polli and P. delhezi and P. senegalus and P endlicheri.I find this the most interesting part of the the mating ritual as it is shared by most members of the Polypteridae family. Courtship begins by the male breaching the surface from once to several times.followed by him arching his body putting up his dorsal finlets in full display and slowly descending through the water to the female. Coming up from behind her he gently nudges her sideways with a series of headbutts and gentle nips while the female remains motionless as the male gently caress'sthe females ovipositor area with his anal fin till eggs are released .He uses his anal fins which are now shaped like a cup to capture the eggs, fertilizes them and releases them then the process begin again.This may go on for several days.-Anne

 

[DarkEntity]

Senegal and Ornate cross...... ...that could be a stunning variation....Senegal shape with Ornate colours..or vice versa lol

 

[invader]

Senegal and Ornate cross...... ...that could be a stunning variation....Senegal shape with Ornate colours..or vice versa lol

Not to mention that the senegal is a platinum, lol. (But I think that the plat. gene is recessive?)

Thanks for the infomation about bicher courtship, especially the in depth analysis from beblondie. I'll keep my eyes open for any more "nudging"

 

[the_evil_duboisi]

I think I once read they are simulated to spawn by a rain storm? Perhaps you could try that, just don't overdo it or you'll have a wet house.....

 

[beblondie]

Iv'e seen mine have a go after a regular waterchange using cooler than normal water-Anne

 

[invader]

Iv'e seen mine have a go after a regular waterchange using cooler than normal water-Anne

Yeah, I think that's what triggered it. I am going to do a water change tomorrow, so I'll keep you updated!

 

[beblondie]

Read this first before trying to breed your senegals it should be helpful and let you know what your getting into

THE FISH - Sexually mature male and female.While bichirs can be sexed at 7-8 inches.It may take a year to six years to reach full sexual maturity depending on the species this is shown on the males by a greatly swollen anal fin and on some species a dark border on the anal fins margin.On the females which are generaly larger than the males you hould notice a swelling of the abdomen.this is caused by the eggs of which there can be be over 300.Those species found sexually mature at 1-2 years include P.senegalus, P. polli others such as P.ornatipinnis and P.endlicheri at 4-6 years of age.
THE TANKS-One should have a soft sandy substrate and several low bushy plants such as
Java fern (Microsorium pteropus)This is the breeding tank.This is where the eggs will be laid (hopefully) and a good secure cover (see courtship above). The second tank for hatching and raising the fry. This tank should have no substrate and use sponge flters.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE this will work on a consistent basis.large breeders on fish farms often use hormones to induce breeding.
The Process- I've seen courtship behavior after a regular water change. However lets try and simulate more natural enviroment .I could just have frisky fish, during the dry season the water temps are in the high 84 to 86 with a PH value avg. 6.0. But come the rainy season temperatures decrease to 60's to low 70's degrees with the PH increasing to to closer to 7.0 and the water softness increases,So in order to try to duplicate this we add softer water (distilled) and raise the tempurature to mid 80's that should start the mating process providing all parties are ready and willing there was a mention of adding several drops of saltwater adding trace elements which encourages breeding .
The hatching tank-When the mating is concluded remove the plants with the eggs or any eggs you may find scattered about as quickly as possible and place them in the hatching tank .This tank should be kept at 82 degrees with a PH value between 6.5 and 7.0.If things have gone well you should see hatching within 60-90 hours . The young resemble tadpoles and will adhere to
plants and rocks , and live off yolk sacs for approx 6-7 days after which they will need feeding.
Foods include
baby brine shrimp
finely chopped bloodworms
mysis shrimp .
It is sadly at this time death rates increase do to fighting and canibalism if possible the fry should be seperated in individual containers for several weeks or raised in a tank with lots of
Java fern (Microsorium pteropus)to hide from eachother . Once they reach approx.4 cm the odds of survival increase -Anne

 

[geo7x]

Read this first before trying to breed your senegals it should be helpful and let you know what your getting into

Except it's a senegal and an ornate

Hate to burst the bubble a bit but surely the odds that a senegal and ornate would breed are next to 0?

 

[severum boy]

Hate to burst the bubble a bit but surely the odds that a senegal and ornate would breed are next to 0?

Not nessiserily, a number of species can cross species hybridise. They could be getting desperate (like many cichlids do) and want to mate with another similar species (ok, so a platinum and an ornate dont look too similar, but in a fish's eyes, who knows?).

 

[invader]

Hate to burst the bubble

Read this first before trying to breed your senegals it should be helpful and let you know what your getting into

I'm not going to breed them. I said that in my first post. I just wanted to know if they were showing breeding behavior, but thanks for the advice anyway.

 

[beblondie]

Actually many species of bichirs have been know to cross breed.I had a male delhezi that would try to breed with just about any other polypterid