Betta Got Swollen Belly Why?

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Noticed it today when I put it back in tank after cleanup, what could be the cause, how can it be treated? also seems to have a small spot on its right fin the oen its manuevers with, hope its not dropsy, just yesterday I posted advice to someone else whose Bettas had developed the problem and now this.
 
Swollen belly could be dropsy (even if the scales aren't sticking out just yet they could in a day or 2) or he could be constipated, how much do you feed him? Have you seen him poo recently? Try fasting him for a few days then try feeding him a cooked shelled bit of pea.
 
No scaling, just the area behind his head is swollen, still very active, I feed him thrice a day, sometimes pellets, sometimes freeze dried blood worms and sometimes flakes, other times a combination of any things. Havent seen him poop ever.
 
Could you get a picture of the area ur referring to? A pic would also help better determine whats wrong with him
 
I dont know how to upload pic and I dont have computer at home.
 
Ok if u havent seen him poop ever id say he was VERY constipated

also feeding freezedried bloodworm as regular as u are isnt a good idea, thats probably whats caused it, and three times a day is a bit of an over kill, cut down to 2 times a day and cut out the freeze dried bloodworm too :)
 
Ok if u havent seen him poop ever id say he was VERY constipated

also feeding freezedried bloodworm as regular as u are isnt a good idea, thats probably whats caused it, and three times a day is a bit of an over kill, cut down to 2 times a day and cut out the freeze dried bloodworm too :)
Agreed.

See if he will take a boiled pea and squished pea. If not, no big deal (they are picky). Don't feed him for a day or two until the bloating goes down. He should be fine. If you have a bit of aquarium salt, add it too the tank in the tank. 1 tablespoon for every 5 gallons. So just a tiny bit. This seems to help as well.

If you do start to see very lethargic behavior and he is "not acting right", then you may need to consider treatment.
 
Hi, Gold-Fisher,
sorry to hear your Betta's a bit off, but you've certainly received excellent advice.
I was wondering, though, if you'd ever tried or could get hold of Epsom (Magnesium) salts, which are excellent for encouraging the absorption of water and causing Bettas to poop like the veritable wind, so to speak.
It's been a long time since I've used them, and can't remember amounts, so just did a fast search:

http://www.fishforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9654&start=30

Constipation
Symptoms:
Slightly large abdomen, no feces are excreted.

Causes:
Incorrect diet or overfeeding. What food are you feeding your fish? How many times do you feed your fish? How long does it take for the fish to consume all the food? It is recommended to minimize the food rations by once or twice a day for fish in their adult stage. A one day fasting per week will certainly compensate for the rest of the days of feeding them. It must be noted there are certain fish species that may eat the food but which is totally not appropriate for them.

Treatment:
Green peas are recommended as they serve as a laxative allowing the fish to excrete their wastes blocked inside their bodies. Always remove the shell and if intended to be fed on fish with small mouth, mash the peas to smaller pieces.

Another alternative is the use of half a level teaspoon magnesium sulfates (Epsom salts) per 4.5 liters. If the fish recovers, improve its diet and change feeding routine.

(End of quote - looks like a good site for generalized info.)

Speaking as one who knows nothing, if I'd been feeding a fish a lot of freeze-dried food, and had him in a small tank receiving complete water changes, I'd add the epsom salts to the tank and leave in overnight, depending on results, and observing frequently, and I'd feed ONLY several tiny bits of pea about the size of his eye twice a day, if he'd take them, for a couple a days, and feed peas weekly from there on in.
(Mine get a pea-feed day weekly, rather than a total fast.)
And I wouldn't wait either, assuming he'll eat, as they have a laxative effect, in case that spot's ich and you plan to use a regular aquarium salt treatment, which would likely worsen the constipation problem.
I'd also feed frozen (moist) bloodworms and not too many freeze-dried foods or pellets, unless soaked first, and I'd also try variety in the diet, feeding several different things on a regular basis.

If the spot on his fin is white, it's likely ich??? Does it look like that might be it?
He may be a little run-down and susceptable to such things what with being backed up and all, and will certainly need treatment for that, probably salt and increased temps, but aquarium salt tends to drive moisture out of fish and may aggravate the consitipation issue.
Both conditions are imperative, but the constipation needs to be addressed first, as he'll be accumulating and resorbing toxins from the retained waste in his body, so should be ASAP; as you know, if it's ich, the nasty little critters will exponentially explode in numbers very, very fast.
With any luck, the experts are still around to advise on this, but the epsom salt thing is the sort of emergency med hardly ever used and therefore not always there on the top of the head/tip of the tongue when the need arises.
I'm only able to say what I'd do, and I'm certainly no expert, but this is based on advice which made sense to me and has worked for me in the past.
Good luck, and I hope things are much betta soon.
 
Thanks for the informative post, can I use canned peas?


Hi, Gold-Fisher,

I have yet to hear of anyone using canned, which are more likely to bear traces of other things, but I expect they'd do in a pinch.
Otos, for example, are supposed to love specifically canned French Cut Green Beans, although I think mine must be holding out for organic...
Anyway, if you start with those and get some frozen when you can, should work.
But I do know that I, personally, won't feed cheap peas anymore - found too many slimy ones.
A small bag of good quality baby peas makes my bettas very :drool: happy :hyper:
Hope it goes both well and all over the place.
 
I got fresh peas and boiled them, but they disintegrate when put in water after squshing them, is putting them in whole without skin ok? they sink to the bottom, may not get the bettas attention.
 
I got fresh peas and boiled them, but they disintegrate when put in water after squshing them, is putting them in whole without skin ok? they sink to the bottom, may not get the bettas attention.


Hi, Gold-Fisher,
Does your betta usually notice incoming food?
If you can get your betta's attention, maybe by moving your fingers holding the food in the air over the top of the water, and they realize food is forthcoming, that's ideal, as it's better if the food doesn't hit the ground; although most of mine hunt the bottom looking for what they may devour, apparently not all do.
I usually feed mine frozen, thawed, and nip off tiny pieces with a thumbnail, (about the size of your bettas eye being perfect, as too small might get lost/missed,) and flick them in.
Sometimes a tiny trail of 'pea soup' does appear around the mushier ones.
But I think you're right, that fresh peas might be too hard, so boiling sounds right; I've never tried feeding those.

Betta's do have small mouths and stomachs, although they fail to realize this, and shouldn't be offered large pieces of food.
If they don't choke, the frustration of having food they can't eat could (joking) prove fatal.

Maybe try not boiling the peas so long that they're mushy, if possible, or just do them in a little water in the 'nuker', if you have a microwave?
You could even just pour a little boiling water from the kettle into a bowl and let a pea soak in that for a bit, just to soften it a bit.
And please don't just squish and drop, try cutting or nipping off suitable-sized pieces.
I had a fish actually die not too long ago from eating a much-too-large piece of pea I'd squashed and dropped in for an algae-eater.
It got caught in her throat and I couldn't get it out: it was horrible.

Fish count on us, because all they have is what we provide them.
If fish had bigger brains we'd be waiting on them fin and tail, changing their water, bringing them food...
OK, so maybe they're smart, but we have the ability to produce suitably sized portions of food, and they don't.
Good luck Gold-Fisher, and I hope he's better soon.
 

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