Anyone here order Betta's from Attison Betta?

[ral]

Was thinking of ordering some from here:

http/www.atisonbetta.com/index.asp

Any one have experiance with this breeder?

 

[SRC]

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*edited so I don't seem so harsh*

OMG..I can't believe peopel would actually fight fish as this site advertises. I feel this is very wrong.

They sell fish to fight with...to REALLY fight with. Like...hurting other fishes...like dogs!!!!!

These fighters are not for testing but they are for real big money fighting. You have no need to test them. Testing and selecting best fighters is my job. You sim-ply order them if you want to make big money.

They cost US$50.00 for each fighter, no matter how many you order. The price included shipping cost to your home doorstep any where in the world.

Price is only negotiable when an order reach 65 fighters per shipment from any batches number combined.

They are small spawns of less than 50 fighters per spawn. If you don’t want to loose a chance to win, just GRAB them before they are running out. OMG!!!!

TMA-25 :Medium to Medium Large.
Thai/Malay blood-line.
Scales are hard as rock, Teeth very sharp teeth. Very hard hitter on eyes, mouth and ears. Very cruel fighter with hard punch and real good knock out power. Greatest
hard and fighting endurance.

TTA-132: Small/Medium.
Thai/Thai blood-line.
Most cruel fighter. Rock hard scales and razor sharp teeth.
This fighter swims after opponent ears and keep hitting until opponent goes up-side down. Almost all of opponents died shortly after the fight. Point of impacts are ears and caudal peduncle.

This REALLY makes me very sad.f. I actually thought this was illegal.

Better?

 

[newfishies]

that is really disturbing i feel so bad for those fish

 

[Sorrell]

There's nothing wrong with fighting bettas as long as you are sparring actual fighters.


Bettas live to fight, there is nothing they would rather do. Now if someone was throwing VTs or HMs etc together trust me I would flip out like the next guy, but that is not the case here. These fish are probably the luckiest of all the bettas on the planet. Our fish cannot even fathom the care that a fighter recieves, and I like to think my fish are pretty pampered

These fighters are conditioned like you wouldn't believe, they live in the best conditions and recieve awesome physical care before and after the sparring matches.

Before you all get upset over "these poor fish" remember the instincts that bettas have. If you see a HM flare, it's "Ooooh look how scary I am" a plakat doing the same "DIE DIE DIE" I have plakats that if they were given a mirror would kill themselves slamming into the side of the tank to get to that fish. I also have plakats who when put in a spawn tank, corner the female straight off the bat with one intention

People are always trying to say how cruel this is, well yeah if it's Joe Blow tossing his Wal-Mart fish together, but that's not the situation at hand

 

[SRC]

It's the same as fighting pit bulls imo. Just becasue they want to do it and will do it..doesn't mean that you should do it.

They condition pit bulls the same way. Feed them good food, exercise them daily, make them extremely hostile by teaching/training them them to be that way..more so then they already would be, then turn them loose on each other and let them rip each other to shreds.

I'm sorry...but I think making them into little killers like that is wrong..I know they "want" to fight with each other..but breeding them and "conditioning" them to be even more hostile...then letting them fight til the other dies. I just can't ever agree with that. I have more concern for a semi-happy life..then letting them be happiest by killing each other .

 

[xXMrBonesXx]

It's the same as fighting pit bulls imo. Just becasue they want to do it and will do it..doesn't mean that you should do it.

They condition pit bulls the same way. Feed them good food, exercise them daily, make them extremely hostile by teaching/training them them to be that way..more so then they already would be, then turn them loose on each other and let them rip each other to shreds.

they also beat the living hell out of those dogs, although i read somewhere there is fish that are sacrificed in the training of fighters, but that might be an isolated trainer

Edit: i still stand by my belief that it is only still legal to fight these fish because they can't do no direct harm to humans unlike pitbulls etc..

 

[Sorrell]

Not the same as pit bulls...if you take two random dogs and throw them in a ring they aren't going to go at it, bettas will. The dogs aren't treated well as Mr Bones has said, these bettas would put all of ours to shame.

Personally...I don't think it's fair to even have an opinion on the matter if you've never seen a fighter. These fish live for that from day one, pure instinct.

 

[freshmike]

I agree with Sorrell on the instinct thing....look at EVERY SINGLE BETTA out there.....

They all want to fight....just some are built for it, not by ppl, by nature.....and some are for show.

 

[NinjaSmurf]

And I do believe they don't let the bettas kill each other, even if they were cold hearted (not saying that, but I'm sure they're are some, we are talking about people here) they wouldn't let them fight to the death because they put too much time, effort and money into their fish. And this can not be compared to pitbulls, because one, they aren't the big brutal killers everyone wants to make them out to be, and two, these people don't train the bettas to hate each other, they already want to fight, the dogs are not like that. Don't get me started on that, because I don't think I could stop myself lol.

And when my bettas flares at me, I know he isn't thinking 'yeah, she's back again, feed me!' he's thinking 'I'm going to kill yooooouuuuuu!!!'.


Personally, if this is the best deal you can come across for plakats with those lines, size, color whatever, then buy them, but if you can find something better and/or the same but for less money overall then I'd go with the cheaper one. But it's still up to you.

 

[SRC]

Did you nto read what I posted? So either the seller is lying about his stock..ro he is telling the truth. He claims they fight until the other fish dies..or it does soon after the fight.

He tells you to buy as many as you can..so you can keep using the fish until you win big money.

He states that you condition the fish to be even more hostile thenthey already are..and that tey breed for extra hostility. He says he puts them in with females to chase and learn to be hostile.

This is how they train pits to be mean. They find aggressive dogs..and breed them..which produces aggressive offspring..they take the more aggressive of that litter and pair them up again with even more aggressive dogs..and so on. This is how the raising/breeding/training/fighting of animals works.

No, not all pits are mean...but they are more aggressive natured then other dogs..especially if they come from a line that has been bred for that purpose.
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Actually alot of pit bulls will fight each other..especially males. If a dog is raised to be a sweet family dog, and not to fight/be mean, those are the ones that will not. And it is a common misconception that they beat the dogs to make them mean..they breed them that way..it is mostly their genetic makeup and training (biting and pulling exercises, teasing with other dogs that already fight, ect) that determines the amount of hostility in each dog. Not saying all people treat theirs nicely, but why would they do that really? To make them turn on them? Most treat the dogs well..so the dogs in turn perform for them. Pits are very loyal to their owners...they will even die trying to protect their homes. that's why drug dealers and such use them as guard dogs..so they will protect them and their property.

You don't want to compare them to pits..then comapre them to fighting cocks. That is their primal desire..to tear another rooster to shreds. They are bred, conditioned, and trained to do so..they take excellent care of those birds ..only to throw them in a ring to die..trying to make their owner a buck.

It may not be against the law in other countries...but I guarantee you you wouldn't be able to fight them over here in the states. It's inhumane and against the ethical treatment of animals imo.

I don't care how much time, effort, care, money, whatever you put towards raising/caring for an animal. If your only purpose in it..is to use their vicious nature to make you money...I feel that is wrong.

We have these fish, even though we know they would rip each other to shreds..we take excellent care of them..to the best of our abilities...but we do it because we love them..not because if we take good enough care of them..they will make us alot of money by killing each other.

 

[Sorrell]

Not sure where you're getting your dog info, so I won't even go into that I will say that I'm biased though, I'm a dog behaviorist and I specialize in breed ban laws

The bettas are not fought to the death in true fighting. I'm guessing you've never seen a betta fight. It is beautiful, majestic. Very ritualistic, and the two fish are insanely happy at the finish. Sorry but I don't think if you have had no experience with true fighters and or the sparring itself, you really can't say how wrong it is

 

[SRC]

Breed ban laws are becomg more and more common because peopel have over bred these dogs to be mean. Plus teh media doesn't help it any, so everyone is scared of them and wants them destroyed..which is a crying shame. As I have several friends with some of the sweetest pit bulls you'd ever meet (they've had them from puppies and never taught them to be mean), around people..but you get them anywhere near another dog...and they are foaming at the mouth wanting to tear it up. So they have to stay alone..with only humans as companions.

I myself have 3 dobermans..2 are dog/cat/people/bird/whatever else you wanna throw at them lol friendly..the other one loathes anything else that has 4 legs and/or fur...2 legs are just dandy though. None were taught to be mean.

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When I read things like this (and these are the advertisements for this particular breeder's fish) I can't help but form an opinion.

#1. Thai/Malay blood-line.
This is the quick and very aggressive fighter that never stop hitting on opponent’s ears and mouth. None of the opponents ever survived more than 90 minutes.

#2. Thai/Viet blood-line.
This is a fighter that has most fighting endurances and knock out power. Al-though it was severe injuries but managed to kill opponent at last. Opponents with the same size or even 2 number bigger never expect to win.

#3. Thai/Thai blood-line.
Most cruel fighter. Rock hard scales and razor sharp teeth.
This fighter swims after opponent ears and keep hitting until opponent goes up-side down. Almost all of opponents died shortly after the fight. Point of impacts are ears and caudal peduncle.

#4. Thai/Malay blood-line.
Scales are hard as rock, Teeth very sharp teeth. Very hard hitter on eyes, mouth and ears. Very cruel fighter with hard punch and real good knock out power. Greatest hard and fighting endurance.


Exacty what is so majestic about that? I'm sorry but that is revolting to think that you would do that on purpose, and derive pleasure from watching it and making money off it.

Sure, if you were to just let them go at it a few times, that might be ok...but they are talking about these fish biting each others eyes out..until they die.

So either this guy is full of BS and that's not what isreally going on...or he's serius and he's really doing this and commercializing it. So in my eyes..that is wrong..I dont care what anyone says.

But I'm not going to change your opinion, as you belive what you believe and feel what you feel...and I am the same. So I am not going to argue about it...I only meant to say I thougth it was wrong..not start a debate of whether it*really* is right or wrong, or what makes it right or wrong. Causing senseless/needless death is just wrong to me.

 

[bkk_group]

it's common for the fighers to be advertised like that, it's hype more than anything. have you ever heard how boxers are described before a match? same thing.
there are regulations in place and referees in the big matches and quite often matches are called way before their time for any number of reasons, handlers will try any trick to get a quick outcome to a match when money is on the line. and the fact of the matter is, when the other fish runs, fight over. those fish are trained and conditioned to go into the ring with the best possible chance of winning, everything about those fighters, hardness of scales, hitting power, muscle etc etc has been bred into them over hundreds of years and thats the way it is, like it or leave it.
so what if attison supports the local fish farms around his home and sells those fish to people who want them? he does a lot of good in the betta community as well such as helping with the conservation of the remaining wild betta stocks not to mention breeding top quality show bettas as well. to slander his name like that shows poor judgement, know the facts before you open your mouth

 

[NinjaSmurf]

I know for a fact that the traditional fighters didn't let they're fish fight to the death, this guy doesn't sound like that, and I just finished reading his site, so I will agree with you one this guy. Either he's just trying to sell these off as serious killers so he has more business or he really does fight them, it isn't the traditional fighting. Traditionally, from what I read, quite a few people only fight their bettas once, then retire them to a life of breeding, while others fight them, but as soon as one is obviously losing, turns tail or is getting too serious a beating they split them up, medicate them, and that is the end of that.


As to the pitbulls, yes, they are more dog aggressive than some breeds, but so are Jack Russell Terriers. That's why people need to know what they are doing with these dogs, and people who fight them or train them to go after people don't give a $hit about that. As to all of them being bad around other animals, that isn't always the case, just like other living things, they are all different.

 

[bkk_group]

attison is considered one of the "elder thai statesmen" of betta breeding, even dr. gene lucas has written about him, hung out with him and witnessed a fight first hand. hmm, what did dr. gene lucas say? something along the lines of "even after 3 hours of fighting the fish seemed to show no signs of serious injury"...