Algae Cleaner Recommendation?

mikev

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Since I've moved our plec to a larger tank, our 29g developed some algae, so I'm beginning to look for a cleaner (or a crew).

Given that the tank is small, 4in is probably the limit, and I'd rather avoid any even minimally aggressive species.

The tank currently has barbs and rasboras, will have some khulis later.

I assume that the two possible options are a smaller pleco (which? not clown, right?) or perhaps 3 (?) otos.

What would you recommend?

Thanks.
 
I'd reccomend working out what is causing the algae first - excessive lighting, too many hours of light, over-feeding, over-stocking, not enough water changes, direct sunlight etc. Then consider algae scrapers as your first and best option as buying a fish just for it's algae-eating habits is generaly not a good way to go - either for you or the fish. If you insist on adding more fish to treat the algae, otos are good but fragile. a bristlenose or rubbernose/bulldog plec would be a better option. Clown plecs won't do much for algae.
 
Thanks for comments/links.

I'd reccomend working out what is causing the algae first

Sorry, I should have mentioned this. Direct sunlight (on the top of the tank only) is certainly the cause.

If you insist on adding more fish to treat the algae, otos are good but fragile. a bristlenose or rubbernose/bulldog plec would be a better option. Clown plecs won't do much for algae.

The real goal is to balance the tank a bit with bottom feeders. The algae problem is not serious and can be handled with scrapers, but I thought about adding someone who would appreciate a bit of algae.

(And I like plecs..ever since my dark ages when the lfs sold me a 1in sailfin and said it may grow just a little... thank you for the recommendations...)

PS. Very nice link, Torrean, thanks.

Rubbernose seems to be the right thing...any idea on what is the Ph range for it? (my tank is 6.6)
The profile page
http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=34993
unfortunately does not say, and neither does fishbase.org
 
If you want the fish because it's one you like, then great. A rubbernose would be fine at that pH. It should be perfect for it. However, be careful you know which 'rubbernose' you are getting as several species are often sold under that name and some do better in slightly lower temps. and need more highly aerated water than others. The 'common' type of rubbernose is fine in your average tank though. Actualy, I'd have reccomended a bristlenose over the rubbernose - much hardier (and a personal prefference) - but it's up to you which you like more and suits your tank better (rubbernoses do stay smaller than your 'average' bristlenose - though, again, there are several species of bristlenose as well).
 
Thanks a lot!

If you want the fish because it's one you like, then great.

That's the idea (and also utilize the driftwood which my fish ignores...well, female barbs hide under it occassionally).

Actualy, I'd have reccomended a bristlenose over the rubbernose - much hardier (and a personal prefference) - but it's up to you which you like more and suits your tank better (rubbernoses do stay smaller than your 'average' bristlenose - though, again, there are several species of bristlenose as well).

Assuming that Bristlenose Catfish (http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=42932 ) is the same as Bristlenose Pleco, this does look like the perfect fish for the tank; actually it looks exactly like a smaller version of mine.

Two last questions, if you don't mind:

1. is there a way to know for sure that what lfs sells is actually bristlenose and not a common/sailfin? (they probably look about the same when small? --- and lfs' here mislabel all the time.

2. profile does not say if one is ok, or a pair is better (I assume one is ok).
 
Maybe ask for an L number or a scientific name? Take pictures of the fish you want in and compare them closely. It's a tough thing to be sure about. Good luck
 
In my tank upstairs i have an ancistrus as the tank isn't very big he does the job wonderfully. Dowstairs i have 3 pleco's they take longer but clean it thouroghly.

I also forgot to add, after the algae has cleared buy some catfish pellets or alternitively some algae waffers for the algae cleaners.
 
In my tank upstairs i have an ancistrus as the tank isn't very big he does the job wonderfully. Dowstairs i have 3 pleco's they take longer but clean it thouroghly.

I also forgot to add, after the algae has cleared buy some catfish pellets or alternitively some algae waffers for the algae cleaners.

I have the same problems - the apple snails clear the algae of the glass but dont clean one of my ornaments, im going to buy a small plec - should keep him happy :)
 
Yeh, To be honest people get paranoid about plec's because of their rate of growth but to be honest you can just sell them when they get biiger- just make sure you don't leave it to late.
 
The starlight variety would not be the safest course. those are on the larger side of the bristlenose group and get to 8".

It can be quite tricky telling young commons from young bristlenoses but check out planet catfish:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/loric...cistru/48_F.PHP - this is listed under 'bristlenose'
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/loric...cistru/49_F.PHP - this is the 'common' bristlenose
there are several other fish often sold under the name 'bristlenose'. The one I have seen most often is ancistrus temminckii (different site): http://www.africancichlids.net/Catfish/A_temminckii/

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/loric...ostom/580_F.PHP - common pleco (the 'true' one) This is no longer the only 'common plec' available at LFSs. h. punctatus being another one.

Most 'ancistrus' species are considered bristlenoses: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/loricari/G_4.PHP

As you can see, it would be rather difficult to pin point a single bristlenose or common plec species so comparing the two is pretty much impossible. What I would suggest is either looking for a more mature bristlenose so you can see its bristles or taking some pictures of the fish at your LFS and then comparing them to identified pics on the net or posting them in the catfish forum for identification. I am not a plec (or catfish) expert and wouldn't realy be of much use there but there are others on here who are amazing with plec id.

I know that probably causes more confusion than it explains stuff but you can at least see why I hate common names ;)

edit: wanted to add that you can keep the bristlenoses singly. If you know how to sex them, a pair is fine, but they are otherwise territorial and preffer to be alone.

ok, another edit: Animation, large plecs do grow relatively slowly so I see why you'd think keeping them in a small tank is ok while their young but moving fish from tank to tank is stressful for them - can even kill them and you have to also consider that a lot of people neglect to upgrade or return the fish when it's large, putting it off endlessly. Others become attached and decide to follow their own desires, ignoring the wellfare of the fish. For those who keep them to a relatively large size and do return them, most of the returned fish don't get sold because of their size as, even people who do have room to house them, tend to go for smaller fish so as to match up with the size of their other young fish (eg: if I'm starting up a realy big tank with lots of large-growing fish, the fish I get will be juveniles mostly so I won't want a gigantic plec to go with them). You also need to consider that, though it may not be obvious, large fish are negatively affected by being kept in smaller tanks and their growth rate slows, they become stressed and, therefore, are more susceptible to disease. Lastly, consider the people who DON'T have large enough tanks, don't know the potential size of the plecs and don't have plans to upgrade/return the plec. If people who do know about their potential size go and buy baby plecs, planning to return them later on, we fuel the industry, encouraging the LFS to order more, and more, and more. Lots of large, unwanted plecs are returned and, perhaps a few find homes, but there are already enough people going into LFSs and being confronted with a huge batch of baby commons because people keep buying them whether they know they can't keep them or not. A lot of the adult fish will end up crammed in some LFS or in a small tank soemwhere. They'll eventualy die prematurely.

BTW, I appreciate how messed up my typing is today - my thoughts are hyper and confused :p The general point I was trying to make is that we should only buy common plecs if we have the tank for them.
 
Animation: Not sure if you have ever actually sold larger plecs before but I have a few very large common's and not to many people, or even LFS have tanks big enough to house them... Where do you sell your large plecos?
 

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