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I would like to find a perfectly natural group of fish. Which means that I want A group of fish that would occur naturally in the wild. They all just require the same gh, ph, and kh because they would live together in the wild. Thx.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum :)

What are the tank dimensions?
What is the general hardness (GH) and pH of the water?
What other fish are in the tank?
 
I am assuming that this is a brand new tank that is not yet stocked?

Perhaps consider putting together an Amazon blackwater biotope. Drift wood and leaf litter at the bottom of the tank will produce tannins that give the water a distinctive yellow tint. It will also make it softer in pH so be aware of that when selecting fish.

Perhaps 2 schools of tetra to be the main focus. Neons or cardinals are always popular and do well in bigger groups. I like the glowlights for their "filament" and orange colour.

Black phantom tetra are a little larger and would add a contrast to a smaller breed of tetra.

Corydora catfish are also native to the Amazon and are bottom dwellers so they are another great option. Be aware that some breeds stay small and others can get quite big.

Introduce fish slowly over time to a fully cycled tank. Don't try to throw 50 fish in all at once or this could crash the tank and be a disaster.

Anyway those are some stocking ideas for an Amazon themed tank.

If you are looking at being specific then search for biotopes online. Biotopes are aquariums that have been designed to replicate an environment. Some people like to do Amazon, some the African lakes, others South East Asian themed ones. Many plants and fish can be selected for each region and you might find plenty of inspiration.
 
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Welcome to TFF. :hi:

What you are describing is what we term a biotope aquarium, where the fish species would be found in the same watercourse in their habitat, and the aquascape would replicate that habitat. Plants (if any) that are natural to that habitat, the same type of substrate where possible (sand for example), and other décor items like wood or rock, dried leaves, etc.

There are sites that will help identify fish species specific to a watercourse. A strict biotope would only include fish species found together in the habitat; a more geographic biotope can include fish species that might not be actually found together but share the same environmental conditions.

The first things to determine are the tank size and your source water parameters. Selecting fish suited to your water is much easier than having to adjust water parameters for more demanding species.
 
Welcome to TFF. :hi:

What you are describing is what we term a biotope aquarium, where the fish species would be found in the same watercourse in their habitat, and the aquascape would replicate that habitat. Plants (if any) that are natural to that habitat, the same type of substrate where possible (sand for example), and other décor items like wood or rock, dried leaves, etc.

There are sites that will help identify fish species specific to a watercourse. A strict biotope would only include fish species found together in the habitat; a more geographic biotope can include fish species that might not be actually found together but share the same environmental conditions.

The first things to determine are the tank size and your source water parameters. Selecting fish suited to your water is much easier than having to adjust water parameters for more demanding species.

55 gallon, 7.5-8.5 ph, idk the kh or gh. Yes I am wanting a Strict Biotope. Why is kh and gh important anyways?
 
55 gallon, 7.5-8.5 ph, idk the kh or gh. Yes I am wanting a Strict Biotope. Why is kh and gh important anyways?

I will answer by citing excerpts from an article on water hardness I wrote a few years ago on another forum. This will provide a detailed explanation, but it doesn't hurt to know the whole story.

Water in its pure form does not exist in nature (aside from the evaporated and condensed pure water before it rains/snows); it is a powerful solvent, meaning a substance that easily dissolves other substances to create a solution. As rain falls, it picks up many gasses and particulate matter, and it continues to do this as it passes through the ground. Natural water values therefore vary with respect to hardness and pH because the water acquires specific properties from the landscape. Water flowing over or through rock will assimilate minerals from the rock, becoming what we term “hard” water. Water flowing through soils that contain organic matter will be “soft” because the organics bind with and thus remove minerals while creating acids that enter the water. The pH is largely the result of the hardness as well as the amount of carbon dioxide dissolved in the water.

Water hardness is the measure of dissolved mineral salts in the water, a portion of the TDS (total dissolved solids). There are two basic types of hardness of importance to aquarists, termed general hardness (abbreviated GH) and carbonate hardness (abbreviated KH, from the German “karbon” [carbon]). The combined GH and KH is sometimes termed “total hardness,” but this is of less importance because the GH and KH individually impact the water in different ways.
General Hardness is determined primarily by the minerals calcium and magnesium; GH is sometimes referred to as “permanent hardness” because it cannot be removed from water by boiling as can KH. GH is measured in several different units, but in the hobby the most common are parts per million (ppm) and degrees (dH or dGH). One dGH equals 10 milligrams of calcium or magnesium oxide per litre [1], and is equivalent to 17.848 ppm. Multiplying dGH by 17.9 gives ppm, and similarly dividing ppm by 17.9 gives dGH [the same formula works for KH]. The following chart equates the degrees and relative ppm to common terms in the hobby.

0 - 4 dGH 0 - 70 ppm very soft
4 - 8 dGH 70 - 140 ppm soft
8 - 12 dGH 140 - 210 ppm medium hard
12 - 18 dGH 210 - 320 ppm fairly hard
18 - 30 dGH 320 - 530 ppm hard
over 30 dGH over 530 ppm very hard

As each freshwater fish species has evolved over thousands of years, their physiology has adjusted to the water values that occur in their respective habitat. We refer to these values as water parameters, and they include hardness, pH and temperature; each of these has an impact on fish. While many fish species appear to be somewhat adaptable, their physiology can be negatively affected if the parameters are outside the fish’s natural preference. Providing suitable water parameters in the aquarium is therefore an important aspect of providing an environment that is less stressful—and this directly relates to healthier fish.

Fish are directly impacted by GH and TDS; their growth, the transfer of nutrients and waste products through cell membranes, spawning (sperm transfer, egg fertility or hatching), and the proper functioning of internal organs such as the kidneys can all be affected.

Rather than buying a test kit you may only use the once, check the website of your municipal water authority; it may have data including GH and KH. The GH is the most critical here. Fish that need moderately hard or harder water must have this or they cannot function properly (livebearers, rift lake cichlids, some rainbowfish, and a few others as an example). Soft water species (most fish from South America and SE Asia in general) need softer water. There is some overlap obviously, depending upon species and the water parameters.
 
I will answer by citing excerpts from an article on water hardness I wrote a few years ago on another forum. This will provide a detailed explanation, but it doesn't hurt to know the whole story.

Water in its pure form does not exist in nature (aside from the evaporated and condensed pure water before it rains/snows); it is a powerful solvent, meaning a substance that easily dissolves other substances to create a solution. As rain falls, it picks up many gasses and particulate matter, and it continues to do this as it passes through the ground. Natural water values therefore vary with respect to hardness and pH because the water acquires specific properties from the landscape. Water flowing over or through rock will assimilate minerals from the rock, becoming what we term “hard” water. Water flowing through soils that contain organic matter will be “soft” because the organics bind with and thus remove minerals while creating acids that enter the water. The pH is largely the result of the hardness as well as the amount of carbon dioxide dissolved in the water.

Water hardness is the measure of dissolved mineral salts in the water, a portion of the TDS (total dissolved solids). There are two basic types of hardness of importance to aquarists, termed general hardness (abbreviated GH) and carbonate hardness (abbreviated KH, from the German “karbon” [carbon]). The combined GH and KH is sometimes termed “total hardness,” but this is of less importance because the GH and KH individually impact the water in different ways.
General Hardness is determined primarily by the minerals calcium and magnesium; GH is sometimes referred to as “permanent hardness” because it cannot be removed from water by boiling as can KH. GH is measured in several different units, but in the hobby the most common are parts per million (ppm) and degrees (dH or dGH). One dGH equals 10 milligrams of calcium or magnesium oxide per litre [1], and is equivalent to 17.848 ppm. Multiplying dGH by 17.9 gives ppm, and similarly dividing ppm by 17.9 gives dGH [the same formula works for KH]. The following chart equates the degrees and relative ppm to common terms in the hobby.

0 - 4 dGH 0 - 70 ppm very soft
4 - 8 dGH 70 - 140 ppm soft
8 - 12 dGH 140 - 210 ppm medium hard
12 - 18 dGH 210 - 320 ppm fairly hard
18 - 30 dGH 320 - 530 ppm hard
over 30 dGH over 530 ppm very hard

As each freshwater fish species has evolved over thousands of years, their physiology has adjusted to the water values that occur in their respective habitat. We refer to these values as water parameters, and they include hardness, pH and temperature; each of these has an impact on fish. While many fish species appear to be somewhat adaptable, their physiology can be negatively affected if the parameters are outside the fish’s natural preference. Providing suitable water parameters in the aquarium is therefore an important aspect of providing an environment that is less stressful—and this directly relates to healthier fish.

Fish are directly impacted by GH and TDS; their growth, the transfer of nutrients and waste products through cell membranes, spawning (sperm transfer, egg fertility or hatching), and the proper functioning of internal organs such as the kidneys can all be affected.

Rather than buying a test kit you may only use the once, check the website of your municipal water authority; it may have data including GH and KH. The GH is the most critical here. Fish that need moderately hard or harder water must have this or they cannot function properly (livebearers, rift lake cichlids, some rainbowfish, and a few others as an example). Soft water species (most fish from South America and SE Asia in general) need softer water. There is some overlap obviously, depending upon species and the water parameters.

Ok so I found this on the municipal water supply website. Here is a picture... I can’t tell how much gh or kh of ph this says.
 

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They are more concerned with contaminants. You will have to call them during working hours. As for the GH, Alkalinity and pH (I know you have tested the latter, but just as well to have their "official" level). With the number, also write down the unit of measurement they use for the GH and KH/Akalinity, as there are several and we need to know which one. It will be degrees, or ppm, or mg/l, or similar.
 
They are more concerned with contaminants. You will have to call them during working hours. As for the GH, Alkalinity and pH (I know you have tested the latter, but just as well to have their "official" level). With the number, also write down the unit of measurement they use for the GH and KH/Akalinity, as there are several and we need to know which one. It will be degrees, or ppm, or mg/l, or similar.

Ok I will call them when they are open... Do you have any stocking ideas this tank?
 
Ok I found this... I think this tells the kh and gh. 7.5 -8.5 ph level. Pls tell me the kh and gh.
 

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You should probably filter your tap water before drinking it, or drink bottled water. You have some nasty stuff in it.

According to the form you provided, your carbonate hardness varies a bit. You would probably be better off taking a glass full of tank water and a glass of tap water to the local pet shop and asking them to test the GH and KH for you. Write the results down (in numbers) when they do the test. That way you will get the actual numbers for your aquarium and water supply.
 
Looking at that second table, you want:
Alkalinity, average value 9 ppm. This is KH, and 9 ppm converts to 0.5 dH
Hardness, average value 1.6 grains per gallon. This unit is the same as dH, and 1.6 dH converts to 27 ppm

Both dH (degrees) and ppm are used in fishkeeping which is why I've converted the numbers of KH (alkalinity) and GH into both units.


In other words, you have very soft water with little buffering capacity.
 
With the GH settled, and back to your initial question...

You want to look at habitats in South America and SE Asia as these have very soft water. A few general options present themselves. Some watercourses in these geographic regions have plants, some do not. All will have "cover" such as overhanging marginal vegetation which in an aquarium is best represented by floating plants. Sand would be the best substrate material as either sand or mud is common but mud is impossible to deal with. Some streams will have fine gravel. This depends upon your choice of habitat to replicate. Wood as chunks and/or branches is common, and dried leaves litter the substrate in most forest streams and creeks. Or a flooded forest aquascape.

You can have an authentic aquascape with live plants native to the region, and fish from that water course. Or you could have a tank with native floating plants but no lower plants that uses lots of wood and branches and dried leaves for the aquascape. You could do a blackwater habitat where the water is tinted a brown/yellow from all the dissolved tannins from wood and leaves. I have a couple of blackwater tanks but I do not bother with actual tinting of the water as that means preparing water for water changes, but the parameters are the same.

You will need to research the fish species in specific water courses. This can take some digging around. If you research a fish species on a site like Seriously Fish, the habitat of the species is given so that is a start.
 

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