55 Gallon Stocking

[Ash_r716]

Hello all!
So I currently have an albino bristle nose pleco, 4 neons, 4 white clouds, a large groumi, 2 bolivian rams, and an aficran butterfly fish. Am I fully stocked or can I add anythin else?

 

[Ch4rlie]

Tank size would help determine this.
 
But already there are some compatibility issues with your stocking choices
 
The neons and white clouds may be at risk from the African Butterfly Fish as these will eat any fish that will fit in its mouth.
 
http/www.seriouslyfish.com/species/pantodon-buchholzi/

 

[Fiji]

Hello all!
So I currently have an albino bristle nose pleco, 4 neons, 4 white clouds, a large groumi, 2 bolivian rams, and an aficran butterfly fish. Am I fully stocked or can I add anythin else?

 
 

Tank size would help determine this.
 
But already there are some compatibility issues with your stocking choices

 
The neons and white clouds may be at risk from the African Butterfly Fish as these will eat any fish that will fit in its mouth.
 
http/www.seriouslyfish.com/species/pantodon-buchholzi/

 

55 Gallon... It's in the title.

 
The only problem compatibility wise I can tell of is the Butterfly. I've never owned one personally but I've read that they'll devour smaller fish such as tetras, rasboras, etc. Not sure if you can add any other fish though.

 

[Byron]

There are some compatibility issues with the present fish, so before considering anything new, it would be best to resolve what's already present.  And compatibility is a much broader issue that mere behaviour (aggression, or whatever).  It involves water parameters (hardness, pH and temperature) and the environment (aquascape).
 
Temperature issues: white clouds are not tropical, they need cooler water than most tropicals; room temperature and no heaters in the tanks works fine in most cases.  Neons are tropical but do better at lower temps than many others, say around 75F.  Your gourami should have higher temperatures, along with the Butterfly.  The Bolivian Rams would suit the warmer rather than cooler, say 77-79F.
 
Second issue is numbers.  Shoaling fish need several in the group, and while six is often the suggested minimum, having more will always mean healthier more active fish.  All tetra are shoaling fish.  So are the white clouds.  [I'm only considering fish group sizes here, not the other issues that may affect this.]  Not knowing the gourami species it is difficult to offer any advice, but some species can get quite nasty to some other fish.  And the common Blue/Gold/Opaline/Three Spot Gourami (all these names apply to the same species) can easily devour neons.
 
The African Butterfly is not a good community fish, as others have noted.  Any fish approaching the surface will be seen as food, and you have probably noticed how enormous this fish's mouth actually is when it opens.
 
Byron.

 

[Ash_r716]

Well we will see how this goes then. I have had the gourami, neons, white clouds, and pleco for over 3 years now with out any issues. The rams and butterfly are new. The butterfly has not gone for any of the fish but he's still new so I don't know if it's settled enough to be able to tell. As for the white clouds, in natural habitat the water temperature is up to 79 degrees, so there's no real issue there. They've been healthy for 3 years now.

 

[Byron]

Well we will see how this goes then. I have had the gourami, neons, white clouds, and pleco for over 3 years now with out any issues. The rams and butterfly are new. The butterfly has not gone for any of the fish but he's still new so I don't know if it's settled enough to be able to tell. As for the white clouds, in natural habitat the water temperature is up to 79 degrees, so there's no real issue there. They've been healthy for 3 years now.

 
I do not know where you obtained your inaccurate data on the habitat of the White Cloud, but you can see here http/www.seriouslyfish.com/species/tanichthys-albonubes/ 
and I am not going to argue what is scientific fact on this or any other issue.  You asked us for advice, we have given the best we can.
 
Read the blue citation in my signature block.  The fact that fish have survived for a period of time does not mean you are providing the best environment for their health.

 

[Ch4rlie]

I have to concur with Byron's reasoning regarding temperatures for these species of fish.
 
White Cloud Mountain minnows in that Seriously Fish link that Byron gave is a pretty good site and it's my go to first site to check things, but generally I will check information on at least 3 different websites and that usually will give the information required if i am seriously considering purchasing fish for any given tank.
 
As WCMM are a lower temperature specie, just like goldfish, certain species of danios and shrimps, raising the temperature does not mean they will die straightaway but does shorten their lifespans considerably as higher temps raises their body metabolism.
 
We want the fish to thrive rather than just surviving. So research really is key