5 Foot Tank Inmates

[Jozlyn]

Ok, looks like I'm actually going to get the 5ft tank for Mother's Day.

I'm planning on putting in a pair of Krib's, a pair of GB Ram's and a couple of BN cat's. I want colour!

What else would be good?

 

[Miss Wiggle]

whats the other dimensons or the volume of the tank?

maybe apistogramma's, a fancy plec, nice big group of cories, and a few nice big groups of rainbows?

 

[CFC]

I strongly recomend NOT mixing Cichlids from different continents/regions, it rarely works out well. Since you already have the kribs then i would recomend sticking to West African Cichlids if you wish to have more than one species in the same tank. The African Butterfly Cichlid Anomalchromis thomasi would be a good alternative to rams.

 

[Miss Wiggle]

I strongly recomend NOT mixing Cichlids from different continents/regions, it rarely works out well. Since you already have the kribs then i would recomend sticking to West African Cichlids if you wish to have more than one species in the same tank.

while i agree with that in general i think Kribs are the most forgiving of all the Africans and I've seen them with rams and apistogrammas a fair few times and it seems to work. Just my 2p though i won't argue the point!

edit - just to say though that mixing any cichlids carries a risk, they have they're own personalities and it's pretty common that they won't get on with fish they should get on with or vica versa.

 

[CFC]

http/www.fishforums.net/Kribensis-Aggres...ch-t191831.html

My own experience with keeping a pair of F0 kribs with a small pair of Geophagus brassiliensis was the same with the kribs constantly attacking the more peacefull and less territorial SA Cichlids.

Cichlids of different regions have evolved to use different signs and displays to mark territories and warn intruders of their presence so Cichlids from a different region may not recognise the warning signs which leads to violence.

 

[Miss Wiggle]

Cichlids of different regions have evolved to use different signs and displays to mark territories and warn intruders of their presence so Cichlids from a different region may not recognise the warning signs which leads to violence.

interesting i didn't know that.

just out of curiosity do you think them being F0 had anything to do with it? I know F0 fish can be less adaptable to changing water parameters than tank bred strains, just wondering if the same could be applied to they're acceptance of tankmates or simply of being in a tank not the wild?

I've seen it done a lot of times and have heard comparitvely few reports of trouble, enough for me to think that when people have problems it's simply because of the individual cichlids temprements or because they were preparing to breed and cichlids breeding can cause carnage in any tank regardless of tankmates

anyway i said i wouldn't argue it and I'm going on as per

I've not done it myself so can't speak from personal experience, but I know cichlids in as much as you can never know them cos they're all so different!

 

[mark7616]

Hi jsut my oppinion big tank larger fish why not keep the kribs in there current home and look at housing some larger fish???

 

[CFC]

Cichlids of different regions have evolved to use different signs and displays to mark territories and warn intruders of their presence so Cichlids from a different region may not recognise the warning signs which leads to violence.

interesting i didn't know that.

just out of curiosity do you think them being F0 had anything to do with it? I know F0 fish can be less adaptable to changing water parameters than tank bred strains, just wondering if the same could be applied to they're acceptance of tankmates or simply of being in a tank not the wild?

I've seen it done a lot of times and have heard comparitvely few reports of trouble, enough for me to think that when people have problems it's simply because of the individual cichlids temprements or because they were preparing to breed and cichlids breeding can cause carnage in any tank regardless of tankmates

anyway i said i wouldn't argue it and I'm going on as per

I've not done it myself so can't speak from personal experience, but I know cichlids in as much as you can never know them cos they're all so different!

I would expect the F0 part made them a little more feisty than tank breds as they would have been more used to defending their territory than fish that had been born and raised alongside other fish but kribs in general are faster stronger and more aggressive than South American dwarf Cichlids. There are loads of suitable small West African Cichlids so i would choose from some of those rather than mix continents in one tank.

Think of how customs vary in people from place to place, in rural France it is polite for men to go for a wee in the back garden when they are visiting friends or family as water is quite short in supply and it saves their hosts money. If my friends starting peeing all over my garden when they came over i'd go beserk and never have them around again Customs vary in fish and animals too in their own way so we shouldnt expect fish from two continents to just get along when we throw them into a tank together.

 

[Miss Wiggle]

Cichlids of different regions have evolved to use different signs and displays to mark territories and warn intruders of their presence so Cichlids from a different region may not recognise the warning signs which leads to violence.

interesting i didn't know that.

just out of curiosity do you think them being F0 had anything to do with it? I know F0 fish can be less adaptable to changing water parameters than tank bred strains, just wondering if the same could be applied to they're acceptance of tankmates or simply of being in a tank not the wild?

I've seen it done a lot of times and have heard comparitvely few reports of trouble, enough for me to think that when people have problems it's simply because of the individual cichlids temprements or because they were preparing to breed and cichlids breeding can cause carnage in any tank regardless of tankmates

anyway i said i wouldn't argue it and I'm going on as per

I've not done it myself so can't speak from personal experience, but I know cichlids in as much as you can never know them cos they're all so different!

I would expect the F0 part made them a little more feisty than tank breds as they would have been more used to defending their territory than fish that had been born and raised alongside other fish but kribs in general are faster stronger and more aggressive than South American dwarf Cichlids. There are loads of suitable small West African Cichlids so i would choose from some of those rather than mix continents in one tank.

Think of how customs vary in people from place to place, in rural France it is polite for men to go for a wee in the back garden when they are visiting friends or family as water is quite short in supply and it saves their hosts money. If my friends starting peeing all over my garden when they came over i'd go beserk and never have them around again Customs vary in fish and animals too in their own way so we shouldnt expect fish from two continents to just get along when we throw them into a tank together.

pmsl, resisting the urge for 'general chat' here very strongly, but that second paragraph is a good analogy for a lot of the problems in this country right now!

and if i ever happen to meet you i'll do my best to keep Ian from weeing in your garden.

I do understand your point though.

But also bear in mind the tank in question is 5', even if it's just 5'x1'x1' that's still a respectable amount of floor space for caves/territories etc and neither rams, apistogramma or kribs are big fish so I would think there is ample room for a pair of each to find a home if the tank decor is well enough planned.

I'll concede to say it's a risky combination and that you should have a back up plan if you go with it!

 

[Jozlyn]

What's FO?

Don't know the exact dimensions yet, only that it's 5ft. Would have to be at leaste 200lt tho, or bigger.

 

[Jozlyn]

Hi jsut my oppinion big tank larger fish why not keep the kribs in there current home and look at housing some larger fish???

Because I want to move them out of their current home, they can't stay where they are!

Cichlids of different regions have evolved to use different signs and displays to mark territories and warn intruders of their presence so Cichlids from a different region may not recognise the warning signs which leads to violence.

interesting i didn't know that.

just out of curiosity do you think them being F0 had anything to do with it? I know F0 fish can be less adaptable to changing water parameters than tank bred strains, just wondering if the same could be applied to they're acceptance of tankmates or simply of being in a tank not the wild?

I've seen it done a lot of times and have heard comparitvely few reports of trouble, enough for me to think that when people have problems it's simply because of the individual cichlids temprements or because they were preparing to breed and cichlids breeding can cause carnage in any tank regardless of tankmates

anyway i said i wouldn't argue it and I'm going on as per

I've not done it myself so can't speak from personal experience, but I know cichlids in as much as you can never know them cos they're all so different!

I would expect the F0 part made them a little more feisty than tank breds as they would have been more used to defending their territory than fish that had been born and raised alongside other fish but kribs in general are faster stronger and more aggressive than South American dwarf Cichlids. There are loads of suitable small West African Cichlids so i would choose from some of those rather than mix continents in one tank.

Think of how customs vary in people from place to place, in rural France it is polite for men to go for a wee in the back garden when they are visiting friends or family as water is quite short in supply and it saves their hosts money. If my friends starting peeing all over my garden when they came over i'd go beserk and never have them around again Customs vary in fish and animals too in their own way so we shouldnt expect fish from two continents to just get along when we throw them into a tank together.

pmsl, resisting the urge for 'general chat' here very strongly, but that second paragraph is a good analogy for a lot of the problems in this country right now!

and if i ever happen to meet you i'll do my best to keep Ian from weeing in your garden.

I do understand your point though.

But also bear in mind the tank in question is 5', even if it's just 5'x1'x1' that's still a respectable amount of floor space for caves/territories etc and neither rams, apistogramma or kribs are big fish so I would think there is ample room for a pair of each to find a home if the tank decor is well enough planned.

I'll concede to say it's a risky combination and that you should have a back up plan if you go with it!

I don't have any Ram's but I would like some, I thought the length of the tank would be ok, apparently not!

I forgot about the Rainbows, might look into them!

 

[Miss Wiggle]

What's FO?

F0 (0 the number not the letter O) refers to them being wild caught, if I'm correct F0 is wild caught, F1 is the babies of wild caughts, F2 they're babies etc. Not sure what the F stands for though.