playing or mating??? ( oh boy, did this thread take a right ( or wrong ) turn from it's intended topic..

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so in my last hillstream thread there were pictures of a red tail, and a blue tail loach... they are very similar, and with so little known about them, they may be even different color forms of the same species??? anyway these two always seem to kind of hang together, but this morning they seemed more "cuddly" than normal... even if a fish were to breed in this tank, egg or fry survival chances would be very small... just curious if anyone has witnessed the sting ray style fish breed??? if so, what does that look like??? I know some have bred reticulated, have you actually viewed fertilization??? I believe the lizard style hillstream's grapple similarly to salamanders...
 
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AI states this....
  • Courtship Behavior: Males display a courtship dance, chasing females in the tank, often in the open water. Males may also dig small nests in the substrate.
  • Spawning Process: Females deposit eggs on smooth rocks, in gravel, or sometimes on plants, which the male then fertilizes externally.
I've seen a video somewhere of the lizard type breeding on a plant, which involved wrestling like a salamander
 
my two this morning were back and forth several times between the front glass, and a pagoda roof, and often one was on top of the other , in their chasing around...
 
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technically all that anyone ever posted anything about, on the internet...
 
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stop using such big words...😉

I think @Rusty_Shackleford ... is correct, and that is generally the case... but, every once in a while a critter displays an action that doesn't seem to fit only in the survival traits... it's been years ago, but, I had a few dwarf orange crayfish, that repeatedly took turns, catching a bubble, from an air stone, floating to the top of the tank, and gliding back to the substrate, while the others seemed to watch. I'd swear you could hear a tiny "wheeee", as they glided down... they did this over and over for an hour or more each day... maybe in their tiny brains, they were trying to escape, and didn't remember doing it a few minutes before, or the previous day for a week...

panda garra seem to find joy ( at least they typically bring joy to their owners with their antics )... many of the loach family are similar from clown loaches on down, to the much smaller two, listed in the OP...

and most everyone has had that fish that seems to recognize us, and begs for food, doing crazy antics in an attempt to get us to notice them, and toss them a biscuit... being as I feed from behind my main group of tanks, all of which have backgrounds... the feeding process is more natural, but I have had many cichlids in the past, that were in solitary tanks, and were fed from the front, that did not take long, before they interacted with me... I've seen gold fish trained to do tricks... so if they can learn, it's not too much of a stretch to see the dwarf crays screaming out "wheee" as the bubble pops at the surface, and they glide back to the substrate...

I do believe we have much to learn yet, and may be surprised, at how different our current views are... for example, the sport fishing group saying fish don't feel pain, when their nervous system seems complex enough, that they should, only because we don't want to think about inflicting pain... ( I'm pretty grounded ) and I'm sure I inflict pain on anything I hunt, weather fish, or deer, but it's part of the process I accept if I'm going to partake in those activities, and is partly why I don't hunt or fish for sport, only as a source for food, or in the case of rabbits or red pine squirrels , as varmint control, either way I accept that I'm inflicting pain, and I'm not going to brainwash my self otherwise, just to make me feel better...
 
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I'll wager fish play.

Like us, there's fitness, dominance, rank etc involved in play, but. Any game we can win in, or be dominant in is our instincts. We channel it into football or monopoly - they chase and wrestle. When I was a hockey goaltender, I tried to hide the fact that I worked to beat scorers at their own game, which was beating me. When I threw a change-up in baseball it was supposed to be the result of competitively out-thinking the other player. When two different fish species wrestle or chase?

Be honest, @Rusty_Shackleford . When we played games in younger years, didn't we like to do well when women were watching? They may have thought we were idiots, but like fish, we needed to show fitness, health and just how sizzling hot we were. Maybe humans never play, if we define play narrowly.

So were these fish playing or fighting, or is it the same thing, fundamentally? It sounds like wrestling to me.
 

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