Old Loach Is In Bad Shape

Onzlow

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Hi folks –

I’m having a tank emergency here, and am not sure what steps to take.

The tank has been up and running for about 18 years. In the last few years the only fish that have been around have been a pair of clown loaches. It’s a 55 gallon freshwater tank with UGF and off the side filtration. I decided to give the loaches some company, so a month ago I added a couple of small clown loaches. The only other fish in the tank is a pleco.

Early last week I noticed that the loaches were acting a bit off – burying heads in the gravel, laying on their sides. I figured that it was a bio overload on the filters with the new fish and did a 50% water change.

I haven’t dealt with fish disease in ages and really missed the signs of ich with the new fish – they were swiping their sides on a bit of driftwood in the tank, and I just did not connect that to the disease.

On Saturday last, the two small clowns were dead in the tank and the two large clowns were n deep distress. I did another 50% water change. By the end of the day I saw the white spots on one loach, and started raising the tank temperature and adding salt. I’m reasonably sure that the new fish introduced ich to the tank. Before the water change I tested for amonnia and nitrate - both came back at zero.

I found one of my old loaches dead in the tank on Sunday morning. The temp had been around 75 Fahrenheit on Saturday. I rose it slowly to about 88 tuesday morning. I also added about 1 teaspon of salt per gallon of water, again gradually over two and a half days. The salt I'm using is freshwater a aquarium salt.


Starting Saturday I opened up the tubes on the UGF powerheads and got a pretty good aeration going in the tank, and that’s continued.

The pleco seems unaffected by all this. My last loach just lays on its side on the bottom of the tank, “gasping” with its gills. It has sores on its skin and its eyes are getting cloudy. I dug out an air pump and a 4 inch aeration stone from my supplies and set it in the tank this afternoon to add more oxygen. I also did a 10% water change this afternoon and tried to vacuum the gravel in the tank. I saw lots of sparkly specks in the stuff from the gravel– they look like small fish scales though I have no idea where they would come from.

Is there anything else I could try to do to save this old clown loach? I was thinking about a commercial anti-ick treatment, but the fish is so stressed I doubt it would survive that. This fish is almost as old as the tank and I’d like to see him hang around for a while.

Thanks in advance.
 
Oh my goodness... we had this problem w/ new loaches. Put them in a Q tank to try to treat them, but they all ended up dying :(
I would def go out and get some ich treatment. If it doesn't say anything about being OK for scaleless/sensitive fish, then use it at half the dose.
I really hope you don't lose it :(
 
Aw so sorry to hear about your loss, such cool fish

I don't think loaches handle ich very well..i've read a few cases of them not making it through it. you're right, it surely came with the new loaches. this is why people use Quarantine tanks for a few weeks before adding in their new fish. not to scold you..i hadn't done it for quite awhile either, and i did the same thing you did once, thinking everything looked fine, within 5 days i lost 4 fish..it sucked..so now i'm going to go the quarantine method.

I have had success with Rid Ich..also quick cure..but more often with rid ich.
loaches are scaleless fish and sensitive to these meds. do a half dosage.
your loach is probably so far gone that you have nothing to lose by using a commerical treatment, except a few bucks.

in my opinion..doing 50% water changes every day or every other day..or maybe 20% everyday..might be helpful, it can help get rid of some of the free swimming ich, or the ich dwelling in the gravel.

i'm not the most experienced person, so if someone else (Wilder??) posts, go by what they say..but based off my experience that is what i would do

oh and if you have decorations in the tank the Rid Ich could dye them (and it could dye the silicone on the glass)

GOOD LUCK!
 
Hi Onzlow :)

Welcome to the forum. :hi: I'm sorry that it us because of such sad circumstances.

You didn't say what recent water tests for your tank were, so I'm not sure if this link will be of any use to you, but if it pertains to your situation, it will help explain some of the trouble and perhaps prevent more in the future.

http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html
 
Thanks for the replies. The fish seems a little better this morning - he is not on his side and is moving around a bit. The water temp has dropped a bit overnight to about 86, and I think I'll leave it there. It does look like he is geting fin rot now :-(

I'll try some commercial meds tonight when I get home from work.

Thanks again -

Onzlow

Hi Onzlow :)

Welcome to the forum. :hi: I'm sorry that it us because of such sad circumstances.

You didn't say what recent water tests for your tank were, so I'm not sure if this link will be of any use to you, but if it pertains to your situation, it will help explain some of the trouble and perhaps prevent more in the future.

[URL="http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html"]http://www.bestfish.com/oldtank.html[/URL]

Thanks - that's useful info. It occured to me after I posted that the pleco cleared out a lot of algea when I added it two months ago. Maybe the algea was helping to scrub out some nitrate. FWIW, I did water changes every month, usually about 50%. WIth just the two fish in a 55 gallon tank, the water quality seemed to stay pretty good.

Thanks again.
 
One question before I try a commercial ich treatment: Is it safe to use a commercial treatment with salt? I’ve added about 1 teaspoon of salt per gallon to the tank. It would take some time to reduce the salinity safely.

TIA
 
yes i would say it is.

as i said, i'm not an expert, so if someone could second that?

but i don't think there will be a problem from the salt...i'm sure there won't be a chemical reaction or anything.
remember to take the carbon out of your filter if you have any in it, otherwise it will nutrilize the treatment right away

i've added salt and ich treatment before (but it was for a molly...so the salt probably helped anyways) but she made it.

good luck!
 
I wouldn't add the salt clown loaches don't tolerate it to well.
 
ooohh that's right!

see, this is why Wilder's the best.
when i had loaches before that got ick, they barely showed any ick, but flicked around like crazy, and it was from the salt more than the ick i think
 
Thanls for the suggestions - unfortunatley, when I got home from work this evening the loach was dead. I'm letting the tank cool down and am cycling water to reduce the salt levels - which will take a few days. The one little pleco looks pretty lonely in the 55 gallon tank.

Thanks again - I'll probably be back when I start to rebuild!
 
Bless Him. R.I.P.
 
I know how you feel. You can get very attached to some fish.
 

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