Goldfish Dying Of Swimbladder Problems

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We had five fancy goldfish in a tank. 1 month ago one of them became lethargic
and floating upside down and off her food for a few days. Then she starting
sitting on the bottom and only occasionally moving about, and died a couple
of days later.

We thought it was a one-off but now another is doing the same thing - on the
bottom barely moving, so there must be some problem - we are desperate not
to lose any more.

It's complicated by the fact that some of them have been in the habit for many
months of gulping air at the surface after feeding, and then sometimes being buoyant
overnight before recovering. We assumed they were just swallowing air, and
they did poops with air-bubbles in them. It didnt seem to be doing them any
harm but now 2 are dead/dying in a few weeks. Not at all clear that the two
things are connected.

We do feed them pea every few days to help with any constipation.
We sometimes get white stringy poop - perhaps indicates a parasite, or just
a side-effect of the pea? No other external signs of ill-health.

I've read lots and recognise that swim bladder problems are complicated.
One site suggested that floating then sinking was a symptom of internal bacterial
infection. But, could be parasite, or viral infection?

We are in UK and available brands include Interpet, Nutrafin, Tetra.
We've tried Interpet 13 Swim Bladder treatment, but not added salt.

Tank is 160-litre with external filtration - sponge, zeocarb & carbon.
There are lots of plants (which they chew), and air-stones for oxygen.
We do a 1/3 water change every week with water treatments (e.g Nutrafin
Aqua-Plus and Cycle).
One of those multi-litmus strips showed normal colors for all tests.
Temperature is around 65F.

A few months ago we had a bad attack of green water algae which we treated
with Interpet Greenaway and adding more plants. These problems have started
since the algae were beaten. We also have three Apple snails in there.

I think the second fish is probably a lost cause now, please advise on how
we might save the other three.

Many thanks
Paul
 
Im no expert but how much do u feed them and do u feed lots of worms,best to get a liquid test kit as they are better.
 
Sorry to hear about your troubles. What do you feed them aside from peas? A lot of times floating issues are related to commercial diets. If you can, try a good sinking pellet (Hikari are great) and pre soak them for a few minutes before putting them in the tank. Also what are your nitrate levels? Some fish will float when they creep up.

The white poo is often a sign of bacterial infection, which could be linked to the floating (there really can be a lot of causes).
 
We feed them twice a day and mix it up between flakes, pellets, broccoli, and occasionally
shrimp, algae wafer, dried worms or garlic. Tends to be dry food that makes them gulp air,
so we're trying out different things to avoid that.

I think the white poo is usually after feeding them pea, which might be a natural effect?
Its normal most of the time.

I'm going to buy a proper liquid test kit to monitor levels. Is the API Master Test Kit any good?

Thanks,
Paul
 
Yes the API kits are good, just be sure to get the drop kind not the strips :)
 
You need at least 55 gallon with five fancy goldfish.
Also you need a 110 gallon filter with goldfish being massive waste producers.

How often do you do a gravel vac and water change.

Take a sample of your water to the lfs and ask them to write the readings down for you.

Gasping can be bad water quality, parasites, toxins, overdose of meds, bacterial, ph shock.

Swim bladder can be caused by bad water quality, to many dried foods, bacterial, injury, birth defect, parasites, unstable temp.
 
We use gravel vac once a week, removing about 1/3 of the water. Also clean
the filter (Fluval 205).

One of the fish in particular spends most of the time chewing the plants
so there is a lot of leaf fragments sucked up (and also removed from the filter).
I assume this puts additional pressure on the nitrogen cycle.

Will be ordering a water test kit later today...

thanks
paul
 
Peas are good.
 

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