figuring out algae...

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I've come to the conclusion, that algae is more about tank conditions than light... my main tank lights, are on my schedule, and are on 16.5 hours per day average... just looking at my 4 main tanks, right now, 2 of them never grow algae, that requires cleaning the glass, even though one is a 24 inch deep tank, with 2 full length LED aquarium lights, the other two tanks only need a little polishing of the front glass occasionally, in this 2nd group, there is a tank just settling into maturity, that is also 24 inches deep, and has 2 full length LED's... all my tanks have additional plant LED lights, that come on, an hour before, and stay on, an hour after my main lights...

so, there is more to algae than light... most of my tanks have several terrestrial plants growing out of them, some provide natural shade for the tank, but some of the tanks, are only partially shaded, but heavily rooted by these plants...

I don't add any fertilizers, but my tanks are pretty heavily stocked with fish ( they are also highly filtered ) there is enough fish waste, for several varieties of anubis and Java fern to thrive , so the tanks are not totally devoid of compounds the plants need to survive... but I expect my rooted terrestrial plants are pulling a lot out of the water, and there is just not enough, for algae to thrive...

In this Hillstream tank, I'm actually trying to grow algae for the fish, so the plants chosen, provide very little shade, so are just lucky bamboo, and there are pothos vine roots, but the vines that grow across this tank, have the leaves trimmed off, ( just above this tank, so as not to shade the tank ) so the tank gets full light... this is one tank that needs an occasional polish... I tried to take a picture of a months build up of algae, the tank is due for a polish...

are you having algae issues??? what do you do to control it???

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this anubis is growing as aggressively, as an anubis will grow, yet it's been 6-9 months since this tank had the glass cleaned, but there is a peace lily, with a 24 inch root ball in this tank, that partially shades about 1/3 of the tank... I feel some sort of balance is required... but my light, a lot of people would say is on for an excessive amount of time
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Are you having algae issues??? what do you do to control it???

My issue is having a good balance between algae and plants. I want both. All the glasses (except front) covered in algae all the free substrate space.. And the plants exempt of any in the middle.

I'm looking at new ways to get a tank seasoned rapidly and it includes during the cycle to promote as much of the ugly stuff as possible.

Whatever it's form. As long as it's green it's good. Then once the tank grow some hairs. Do a good cleanup without touching the walls and substrate too much. Install your plants, add live stock.

I have a snail tank that all glasses is going to become opaque from algae really soon.

It's filled with a thriving Java fern jungle that has rolling rhizomes spinning around.

And there is not a sign of algae on the java fern. The leaves are so clean, there not much snails in them because there nothing to eat. They are all on the glasses.

It's an ugly sight. But it proves the point I'm trying to asses. it's the base of an healthy tank.

While they are plants too they operate on a somewhat different nutrient range and both together have a more balanced spectrum.

If that makes sense.
 
If I ever get off my backside and setup my new tank my only algae issue will be if I can grow enough. With 3-4 Panda Garra and scuds I doubt that I will be able to sustain a decent algae growth. ;) Probably will go from 10 hours to 12 hours a day with lights on and run 2 light tubes which the hood can hold.
 
You definitely aren't wrong!

There's way more to algae than light. What algae usually results from is something not balanced in an aquarium--and this is a bunch of things. Too much light, light too long, too much nutrients, ironically too little nutrients, not enough plants, problems with CO2 levels, etc.


To expand on it (this may be a novel, apologies), it's such a complex thing. Most usually start with the lighting or simply only suggest lighting. That's only one potential cause.

And then, certain algae tend to be more common due to certain reasons, but still aren't an exact science.

A small amount of algae is healthy and normal in any balanced tank. It's when someone becomes overrun that it becomes a problem that has people running for help.

Let's consider the other factors before reaching the light topic.

Let's talk nutrients. Often people automatically think of nitrogen (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate) being the culprit here, which is not necessarily the only nutrient involved. Some algae are especially fond of phosphate. People who struggle with algae regardless of trying all the lighting fixes and such should take a look at their phosphate levels. Especially if the algae they're getting overrun with is cladophora algae. It can grow short and tufty or long and straight, resembling hair algae--except it's coarse in texture and harder strands. This algae thrives in low light tanks, even shaded out by floating plants. It is a phosphate loving algae. I have an issue with this algae, thanks to the pH product I need to use in my tanks being a phosphate based product. Cladophora is rampant in my tanks, but, I choose to use it as part of the setup instead of trying to exhaust myself fighting it. However, understandably, not everyone is going to take this approach and will want to get rid of it. In this situation, trying a phosphate absorbing filter media is helpful.


Too much nutrients from extra fertilizer can trigger algae blooms, and if you have only a few plants, you may not need the entire dosage of fertilizer that the bottle recommends. This should be a guideline, one that you can tweak if need be. There's two methods: reduce how much you dose or add more plants. In fact, adding more plants often helps outcompete the algae if nutrient excess is the cause.


Then there is the opposite end of the spectrum where you aren't giving enough nutrients and the plants aren't thriving well--algae is more resourceful and will take up the scant nutrients better than ill-faring plants will. So someone in this case may consider boosting their fertilizer to see if the plants bounce back and start outcompeting the algae. This method obviously involves consistent removal of the algae manually in order to help the plants recover.

And then this also comes down to your source water. Everyone has different nutrients already available in their tap water. Different levels of some, some missing altogether, or some even in excess. And most of these aren't easily tested. So, look at your fertilizer, if it isn't working well for you, try another fertilizer that may have a different ratio of nutrients and see if it works better for you. Or, add an individual nutrient in addition to your usual fertilizer (i do this with my tanks with Java fern, I add extra potassium on top of my usual all in one fertilizer). We can recommend good brands of fertilizers that "generally" work for most people, but even these aren't a 100% perfect solution to every tank given the variability of people's water source.

To further elaborate on this, even various tanks within the same household will see different needs. Plants will use different nutrients than ones in another tank, and could lead to deficiencies in nutrients while another tank the plants don't utilize as much of that nutrient and have a surplus. Depending on the severity, this can also lead to an imbalance.


Some algae will take advantage of less CO2 in the water where plants may struggle to obtain the amount they'd prefer. Algae such as staghorn algae and blackbeard algae are notorious for this. Often times, the only way to really eradicate these algae is by installing a CO2 system. While many plants will do fine without a CO2 system, CO2 offers a boost in growth for plants, allowing them to uptake nutrients faster, which in turn outcompetes the algae easier. That said, it also isn't something to run into willy-nilly because CO2 has its risks and important things for people to learn and manage, plus it comes with a bit of a price tag. Anything "liquid carbon" is also a gimmick, these are often something that strips something in the plants, which can allow easier access to CO2 already existing in miniscule amounts in the aquarium, but not enough to truly do anything and can be harmful to fish and plants in the longterm. BUT, the liquid carbon (common brand is Flourish Excel) can be used as an algaecide to kill stubborn algae with a spot treatment quite effectively. It does have its uses, but not for what it's marketed for.


Lastly, light. Plants only need 6 hours of light a day. For folks having issues with algae, especially hair algae, they should consider reducing their light time first. Pay attention to stem plants especially--they will often close their leaves when they've had enough light for the day. It's a good practice to watch for that and turn lights off when the plants have said they've had enough. This is usually in 6-8 hour bracket.

If reducing light time does not work, then it's best to look at light intensity. One could either dim the lights if the lights they have are adjustable, or raise the light higher above the tank to reduce the light intensity that reaches the plants. Or, buy a lower light level if you'd rather go that route.

Light is a big factor in algae growth, but it's not the only factor. It all comes down to something being out of balance and this balance is one of the most frustrating things to find when getting into this hobby. And even once you find balance, if you change the tank (rescape, remove/add plants, etc) you can find yourself trying to find that balance again.


And getting livestock to clean algae isn't the best solution in these cases. Not all algae are even eaten by most livestock used for "algae eating" since most of these will eat soft algae and biofilm. More livestock adds more bioload to the tank which can ironically make it worse, especially since many chosen are mostly herbivores which have long digestive tracts which also means lots and lots more poop.


Cladophora algae, for the win 🙃 I can't beat it in my situation, so I embrace it in naturalized setups
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What you don't see in many of my tank photos is the algae before I pull it! Every week in just my Paraguay tank, I tear out handfuls of cladophora algae. Every. Week. And it has to be manually pulled.
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Here is an example of what @CassCats says about stem plants closing up when they have had enough light. The pic is shortly before lights out. I call these my light meters.
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And yes every tank is different. Even if you think the tanks are identical you still have to tweak each one to get the sweet spot.
 
There are different types of algae that grow under different conditions; some are a by product of extreme excess light; some are opportunistic growing on decaying plants or excess nutrients others are a byproduct of extreme lack of nutrients/light (which causes plants to pull back). I find the clumping soft algae to grow when plants transition or begin to die back due to lack of nutrients/light. The hard spot algae you find on glass seem to grow when light is excessive and ....
 
I also find the light spectrum is important... if you have the wrong spectrum of light, you may find yourself fighting algae, even with minimum hours... often "do it yourselfers" may have this problem, picking up lights, for example, from the building store, that are not meant for plants or aquarium use...
 
I also find the light spectrum is important... if you have the wrong spectrum of light, you may find yourself fighting algae, even with minimum hours... often "do it yourselfers" may have this problem, picking up lights, for example, from the building store, that are not meant for plants or aquarium use...
It begs the question is it the light causing the algae or poor plant performance which causes the algae ?

I do believe one particular spectrum is useful for algae though my vague memory is it is intense blue but i might be remembering wrong. Those with google skills and look it up those without can bang someone with over the head or gently tap them on the shoulder depending on your disposition.
 
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A standard 6500K light will still be weak in the red and blue spectrum compared to a dedicated 6500K Aquarium light.

Some may completely miss the wavelengths required altogether. A shop flood light might have a beautiful daylight colour but still have a photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) that is close to nil.

That's why I have some admiration for those who give a try to these "ordinary" LEDs and are still able to do great stuff.

I consider them as the best to grow algae tho.
 
@CassCats ... mentioned a harder algae... that is what I have to touch up on my Hillstream tank... they are always working it, but it's hard to even remove fully with a magnetic scraper...
 
@CassCats ... mentioned a harder algae... that is what I have to touch up on my Hillstream tank... they are always working it, but it's hard to even remove fully with a magnetic scraper...
Have you tried out the razor blade scrapers? They're really effective for getting the hard green crusty algae off the glass. I find they work way better than any scrubber type scrapers. And, the blades are replaceable once they get dull or dented. Some even have extendable options for those of us too short to reach the bottom of larger tanks (like myself with my 135g lol)
 
Have you tried out the razor blade scrapers? They're really effective for getting the hard green crusty algae off the glass. I find they work way better than any scrubber type scrapers. And, the blades are replaceable once they get dull or dented. Some even have extendable options for those of us too short to reach the bottom of larger tanks (like myself with my 135g lol)

I use only this.

Everything else scratches too much for me. I buy boxes of 50 and drop them as soon as they kink a little.

And I broke a beautiful 40 years and more vintage tank I had last year, that was absolutely scratchless.
 
I use only this.

Everything else scratches too much for me. I buy boxes of 50 and drop them as soon as they kink a little.

And I broke a beautiful 40 years and more vintage tank I had last year, that was absolutely scratchless.
When used properly, they definitely don't scratch the glass. And nothing more satisfying than a brand new blade cutting through that algae like butter. The fish like it, they try to eat the scraped off algae that floats away lol
 
It's so good...

You're going to bring it out again a couple shots if you missed a spot or two.
 

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