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i know this is a stupid :*) question but iv never had fish before iv always wanted them though its just i have 9 other animals that i luv very much but im geting fish soon anyway what do u mean when u say the tank is cycled ? i kinda get it but :look: ...ok i dont get it what exacty is it ? thanx abunch :D
~Hawaii
 
I'm new too, but i've learned a lot, here's the deal...

We're talking about 3 things here. Ammonia, Nitrite, and Nitrate, and yes, in that order. notice the difference between the last two. one with an I and one with an A.


You put new fish in a new tank. Generally if your tap water is average/normal blah blah blah. the levels of all three of these will be 0.

soon the fish poop in the water. and excess food will start to decay. this produces Ammonia.... when this begins, when you test for ammonia, the level is going to start to show above 0.

the cycle has begun....

soon enough, some helpful bacteria notices this ammonia in your tank, and comes in to have a little party and change this ammonia to Nitrite. now when you test your water, both ammonia and nitrite should be showing in your tank.

finally, some other helpful bacteria notice there is nitrite in your tank and have their own little party turning this nitrite into nitrate, which is less harmful to fish...

eventually, the levels of bacteria even out with the levels of ammonia created by waste in your tank, and your tank is considered "cycled". this usually takes a month or longer to complete. mine completed in a month solid.

you may ask what happens to this Nitrate once it's created from the Nitrite that was created from the Ammonia. Well, with weekly water changes (small ones) this brings the level down where it won't hurt the fish.


I figured i'd explain this in simple terms, because some help websites get a little technical. when you're ready to get more in depth, there is plenty of information out there. good luck!

- kip
 
It's a HUGE mistake to cycle a tank with fish you want. Actually, imo, it's not good to use fish at all.

Why not try a fishless cycle? It's easier and it doesn't take as long in most cases. Also, once it's done, you can add a full load of all the fish you want.

When you cycle a tank with fish, even after the cycle, you still can't add many fish because you still have to wait for ther bacteria to add up with each new addition. Not to mention, all the fish that you used during the cycling, will die sooner and will be under an undue amount of stress, IF they live through it.

Fishless Cycle
 
smb said:
Why not try a fishless cycle? It's easier and it doesn't take as long in most cases. Also, once it's done, you can add a full load of all the fish you want.

When you cycle a tank with fish, even after the cycle, you still can't add many fish because you still have to wait for ther bacteria to add up with each new addition. Not to mention, all the fish that you used during the cycling, will die sooner and will be under an undue amount of stress, IF they live through it.

Fishless Cycle
Great advice, seriously please contemplate fishless. I would rather you tried fishless & asked loads of questions either on board or via E-mail if you prefer but give fishless a chance.

It's is easier on you and the fish, plus whilst the tank is cycling you can spend the time reading up & deciding deciding which fish you really want to keep, rather than having you selection limited to fish that are hardy enough to survive a cycle........ :D
 
I'm with the fishless cycling aswell :thumbs:

You can even just use a pinch of flake evry day or so to generate the ammonia....

You're not keeping 'hardy/hearty' fish that you wouldn't otherwise include and it gives you plenty of time to do the research on the type of fish you want to keep :thumbs:

You can also experiment with the aquascaping and planting so that you're happy with it when you do add the fish....

One other thing I'd do is try and pick species that will be happy in your local water conditions making them happier and easier to keep :D

Happy fishkeeping :)




:)
 
I bought some stuff for $6 at the pet store called "Cycle". It was recommended by the kid working the fish area.

Sounds like it may have been great advice.

This is what you meant by "fishless cycle", correct?
 
:D hey thanx for all the great advise! now i know what it is yay lol and i think i will try the fishless cycle i dont want any of my fish to have to try to live through something i want them to be happy :D lol anyway thanx a bunch!
 
hypergeek said:
I bought some stuff for $6 at the pet store called "Cycle". It was recommended by the kid working the fish area.

Sounds like it may have been great advice.

This is what you meant by "fishless cycle", correct?
How about this for confusing, yes it is (or so the product claims), whether it actually works is another story, so in the truest sense no it's not. For a good article on fishless cycling try:

Skeptical Aquarist - Fishless Cycle

or

Fishless Cycle by Chris Cow - The man who instigated the idea of fishless cycles.

Hope these help a bit...... :D
 
hypergeek said:
I bought some stuff for $6 at the pet store called "Cycle". It was recommended by the kid working the fish area.

Sounds like it may have been great advice.

This is what you meant by "fishless cycle", correct?
No - the product "Cycle" is supposed to contain the bacteria needed to do cycling (i.e. converting ammonia - nitrite - nitrate) and hence speed up the process so that tank cycles faster (i.e. reaches the point where waste is immediately converted to ammonia and nitrite, and then nitrate, without poisoning your fish).

However, I've never seen any evidence that so-called "Cycle" does this. I suspect you wasted $6, but at least no fish died in the process.

Fishless Cycling means that instead of putting actual fish in your tank, you similate the waste from fish by adding ammonia or other substances instead. The whole point is to get that ammonia-nitrite-nitrate chain reaction going before you add any fish. Since ammonia and nitrite poisoning are the most common causes of fish death, doing this should mean you can add your fish and expect them to survive. You can even add delicate fish, if you're careful. You don't have to stick to tough little blighters that can cope with ammonia and nitrite - you can take your pick.

One big advantage is that newbies who start with fishless cycling tend to know far more about the chemistry of fish keeping before they get any actual fish (learning by doing, as it were) and this avoids the frequent discouragement and tragedy of buying a whole load of new fish, putting them in your new tank and watching them die, one by one.

You can speed up fishless cycling by getting some gravel and filter-innards from someone with an established tank. Spread the old gravel over the top of your new gravel and put the old filter innards in an old sock or stocking and suspend it near and air-stone (the bacteria need oxygenated water to survive). Also, crank the temperature up as bacteria work faster at high temperatures. Then add your clear ammonia, rotting fish food or whatever starter you are using for your cycling bacteria and stand back. You'll need an ammonia test kit, a nitrite test kit and an ammonia test kit. Once the ammonia has started to drop off, you should start detecting nitrite. As the nitrite drops off, you should start detecting nitrate.

Once there is no nitrite and no ammonia in your tank, your tank is officialled "Cycled" (fishless or otherwise!) and you can start to add fish. You would probably get a small nitrite spike the first day, but other than that, it should be plain sailing from then on. Plus, you've learned a valuable fish-keeping skill.
 
hi i have added a sample given with my fish tank of stress zyme which contains bacteria like what u was describing that speeds up the cycle proccess but do i need to add something like this every day?? or just leave it at that one sample for like a week???
 
fishyfoo said:
hi i have added a sample given with my fish tank of stress zyme which contains bacteria like what u was describing that speeds up the cycle proccess but do i need to add something like this every day?? or just leave it at that one sample for like a week???
I bought some StressZyme myself way back when I started. It didn't help cycling (my tank was thankfully already cycled - we moved it from my friends house with gravel and filter intact, as well as all the water) and I concluded after a while that it didn't do anything else much either. I chucked it out the other day because it had gone passed it's use-by date.

The bacteria for the nitrogen cycle need a few things I can't see how they can fit in that bottle: a constant source of oxygenated water, a source of ammonia and warmth. Hence my very great scepticism.
 
ok so basically time is the greatest treatment u can give rather than something artifical is what u r saying??? and that the tank will cycle itself in its own time??
 
fishyfoo said:
ok so basically time is the greatest treatment u can give rather than something artifical is what u r saying??? and that the tank will cycle itself in its own time??
Yep. :)

It should take anywhere from 4-6 weeks to fully cycle a tank.
 
fishyfoo said:
ok so basically time is the greatest treatment u can give rather than something artifical is what u r saying??? and that the tank will cycle itself in its own time??
Yes, that is basically what I'm saying, assuming the beneficial bacteria have a source of ammonia (i.e. fish or added ammonia if you're doing fishless cycling). Patience does seem a commodity in short supply among fish keepers, but is an essential skill to develop.
 

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