corkscrew val

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well my corkscrew vals aren't really doing that good and im wondering why.... my other plants are doing Ok but my vals arent... do vals need some special errr water quality or something

13 GAL tank with almost 4WPG
substrate - sera floredepot, fine gravel
c02 injection - yes
 
Vallis species are pretty undemanding as far as water chemistry is concerned growing over a wide pH and hardness range. The twisted varietis, (there are several), all require more light then the straight leafed types, although you seem to have adequate.

Assuming they are not being shaded out, and assuming they are getting enough nutrients, (root feeders), it is rather curious.

Something lurking in the back of my mind is the interaction between Vallis. species and Sagittaria's. The old McKinnery book perhaps? Do you have Sag. species in the same tank?
 
yup i have sag in my tank but the sag is waay up front and the val is waaay back... hmmm im curious about this, is it those allelophatic type effects ? ive heard that err.... what plants was that ? rotala rotundifolia i think also has a similar effect to other plants ? im not sure
 
I was talking about allelopathy, yes. The placement of the plants in a water body as small and as enclosed as an aquarium is not going to make any difference - if they are going to fight, they are going to fight.

I did a bit of digging around and I can't find the stuff I'd read. The reason I think it might be the old McKinnery book is because when I read it about 30 years ago, it sounded really interesting, but since it was quite impossible to obtain Sagittaria species where I was, I couldn't investigate it. If I'd read it recently where the plants would have been available, I'd have tried it!

I am not suggesting that is what is wrong with yours, I simply remember something like that from a long while ago...
 
Plants (and algae) produce chemicals that inhibit the growth of other plants and algae. These "allelopathic" chemicals may cause mysterious incompatibilities in the aquarium. Untraced allelopathic interactions may help illuminate what hobbyists noted generations ago, that Vallisneria and Sagittaria seldom thrive in the same water. The release of inhibiting chemicals is widespread in the plant kingdom. Among terrestrial gardeners, Black Walnut trees (Juglans regia) are notorious for the way they inhibit even grass from growing, wherever their roots spread and their leaves fall. Different plant species produce different allelochemicals. Terrestrial plants tend to rely on alkaloids (dare I mention tetrahydrocannabinol?), while aquatic plants more characteristically produce phenols. The actual chemical interactions are beyond an amateur's tracing, but I remove unidentified, perhaps allelopathic molecules by adding polyfilters in my filter units from time to time and keeping up with regular partial water changes. Diana Walstad devotes a full chapter to questions of plant allelopathy in her influential book Ecology of the Planted Aquarium, 1999.

Something I found whilst browsing. The highlighting was something I added.
 
oooh, i think i should look into this furthur im gonna look for people with both plants in their aquariums, my water is roughly 5deg KH, with PH around neutral 6.5-7.5 min max.

ive also heard of allelophatic influences of some plants haha so i guess the sag is giving the val a hard time, the sag is doing great !

anybody have sag and val in the same tank ? this should be a cause for an experiment ! im gonna try it sometime soon in my spare tank outdoors and see what happens, i hope i remember to try it out :D
 
I have Sag & Val (gigantea) in the same tank, both doing well. I used to have twisted val but it seems to have lost the battle to the giants or the sag :(
 
Lateral line, does corkscrew val also use bicarbonates instead of normal dissolve carbon ? hmmm maybe just maybe i have a low KH of only around 5 and i keep this up by adding baking soda, if i dont it will drop to a pretty low level, i think only 1, soft water here :D hehe
 

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