Angel fish has been attacked!

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Hi, I’ve come down this morning put the tank lights on to my Koi Angel fish upside down but alive. Fins all in tatters. She was trying to lay eggs yesterday and the EBA were harassing the pair and so I’m assuming she was attacked overnight.
Can I save her? If so how?
Thanks in advance. Blimin hate these acara 😤
 
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Update - the fish has uprighted herself. The male angelfish seems to be guarding her. Will he protect her? She’s up at the top corner of the tank. Her fins have taken a battering
 
Further edit. I do have a smaller 80l tank that’s cycled with just a couple of Danio in that I could move them too temporarily whilst she heals? And why I find a home for these acara…
 
Heavy bodied fish like acaras with angels is not a good combination. I see people suggesting it, but every member of the acara group I've ever kept has been capable of massacring angels.

Or, let's flip it. Overnight, and you didn't see the attack. Could the spawning have gone awry, and could the attacker be the male? You may have identified the wrong culprit.

If the acaras did it, then the two species can't be combined again. If the angel did it (my bet from keeping angels for a long time), then she'll probably not be able to survive the next attack.

It's fun to get a new aquarium....
 
Thanks Gary, this pair of angels have spawned many times before and never attacked each other. It’s just the single pair of angels. The acara however always get very aggressive toward them when they spawn wanting to eat the eggs. Yesterday they were particularly aggressive, the angels could barely lay 2-3 eggs before the acara would attack them for the eggs. I’ll admit I read that EBA were more ‘peaceful’ and would be suitable for community - clearly not the case as I am finding out. I’ve had both the pair of acara and the pair of angels since they were babies and have always been fine other than around breeding.

Interesting point about it being the male angel, I didn’t realise they do this when laying. What behaviour should I look for to identify the culprit if she survives? And longer term you recommend not keeping the acara in same tank?
 
Acaras are robust little Cichlids and in my experience keeping a few, if they decide the tank is theirs, they'll take it all. I haven't kept the electric blue morph, just the natural colouration ones, but they never behaved as some books said. They always fought and demolished tankmates. I don't understand their peaceful community rep, though I can say it appeared in books as far back as 80 years ago. So I would immediately get rid of them, or get them their own large tank where they can behave as themselves without tankmates getting harmed.

It isn't that they are overly aggressive. It's that we as fishkeepers make bad decisions on their tankmates. We live and learn, often painfully. I've been there and done that...

A breeding pair of angels won't share well either. Their egg and fry defense should be ferocious, although inbred forms like kois have often lost a lot of healthy instincts. A pair will test and retest each other at every spawning. I didn't realize you'd seen the acaras going for the eggs, and most likely, the female put up a good defense against bulkier, stronger fish. I have had pairs break up though, and I have had females or males killed when they weren't judged as strong enough anymore. Angels can be very expensive fish if you factor in buying tanks to keep them from murdering each other.
 
Acaras are robust little Cichlids and in my experience keeping a few, if they decide the tank is theirs, they'll take it all. I haven't kept the electric blue morph, just the natural colouration ones, but they never behaved as some books said. They always fought and demolished tankmates. I don't understand their peaceful community rep, though I can say it appeared in books as far back as 80 years ago. So I would immediately get rid of them, or get them their own large tank where they can behave as themselves without tankmates getting harmed.

It isn't that they are overly aggressive. It's that we as fishkeepers make bad decisions on their tankmates. We live and learn, often painfully. I've been there and done that...

A breeding pair of angels won't share well either. Their egg and fry defense should be ferocious, although inbred forms like kois have often lost a lot of healthy instincts. A pair will test and retest each other at every spawning. I didn't realize you'd seen the acaras going for the eggs, and most likely, the female put up a good defense against bulkier, stronger fish. I have had pairs break up though, and I have had females or males killed when they weren't judged as strong enough anymore. Angels can be very expensive fish if you factor in buying tanks to keep them from murdering each other.
I get what you’re saying about the koi not having as much instinct - they’ve only raised one set of eggs to fry and that was only because the acara had their own eggs to be bothered with… but once they ate them then they went and finished off the fry and I’ve never seen these angel put up much of a fight against them. They stand their fins up and make themselves big and will swim at them but they back off quick and run away. Thanks as always for your help Gary, would you put the angels in the smaller tank to recover whilst I try and rehome the acara? Or maybe a tank divider?
 
First, I'd take care of the angel. Do you think she'll survive? You may have an acara tank in the making, with a male angel easier to rehome.
 
First, I'd take care of the angel. Do you think she'll survive? You may have an acara tank in the making, with a male angel easier to rehome.
She seems to be swimming well now in all honesty. Just struggling with swimming elegantly shall we say, due to her fins being shredded. So I’m going to stay quietly optimistic that she will recover. Depending on how well her fins can recover? As I say, I use another tank that’s cycled with a few danio and small bristle nose tha she can be moved to to recover if need be, but I wasn’t sure if I should move the pair or just her.
 

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It is funny my tank size Krobia are scared of the angels but as others noticed acara a similar shaped fish will attack angels without mercy. My flag cichild which are larger than the angels are not predatory by nature - but they could waste the angels if they wanted. I don't think it is the shape of the acara body but their aggressive nature.

Back to the op - i would permanently separate the two species and chalk it up to a valuable lesson. The fins will mostly regrow though they will never be as clean as they originally were they will be functional but it might take a few months - gotta keep an eye on those danio as they can be nippy and adult bn can develop a taste for angelfish slime which is not healthy for the angels (though in truth only one of my bn did that) - you can remove either the pair or if the tank is large enough both but never again can you keep them with eba.
 

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