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rdd1952

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A while back after some discussion as to whether ammonia locked by Ammo-Lock was actually available to the biological filter to process or not, I sent API an email. it took a while but I id get a response today. It is below:

"The process to lock ammonia up is a trade secret but I can tell you that it will not affect the development of your biological filter. The addition of the product simple prevents the ammonia from interacting in a toxic manner towards your fish. You can still test it with test kits and it is available and readily processed into nitrite by your establishing bacteria."

I then asked them a couple more questions concerning how long the ammonia stayed locked, thus non toxic and whether it worked after it was added on subsequent ammonia produced by the fish. The reply to that is below:

"Ammonia will stay locked until the ammonia is processed to nitrite or if it is removed via zeolite or a water change. As far as the Ammo-lock is concerned you have to dose every 48 hours this will lock any of the newly produced ammonia. When Ammo-lock is initially dosed it will continue to lock up the ammonia until it locks a total of 3.0 ppm. You will have to double dose if you have 6.0ppm, triple dose if 9.0 ppm. Dosing every 48 hours will lock any newly produced ammonia not locked after the initial dose."

So basically, they say it will not hinder the cycling process, that once locked, it stays locked and that it does not work on subsequent ammonia. I assume they are saying 48 hours thinking that it would take that long for enough ammonia to develop but in a heavily stocked, cycling tank, I would think that it might need to be added more often. I thought it was also interesting that it only locks up to 3ppm so extra dosage is required if the level is higher than that.

I have asked one more question of them and that is whether it is possible to overdose(dose every day instead of every other day). I doubt it's an issue since it is ok to triple dose to begin with if the ammonia level is high enough to warrant it.
 
Am I right in thinking that the locked ammonia will still be converted to Nitrite and as such will become toxic?
 
You are right. It only helps lock the ammonia to make it non-toxic. Once converted to nitrite, you have a problem again. I guess it solves half the problem of cycling with fish in the tank.
 
I know they can't tell you, but a simple answer like that doesn't really help much. I'm not saying they're lying- after all, it's not advertised as a wonder cure, just a short term helping hand with cycling problems, but it's nice to know what the stuff you're adding actually does in case there are issues arising from it.
 
of course API would say that, they make it and therefore want you to buy it.
the ideal thing to do would to get an independent lab test done on it and see if that backs ups APIs' claim
 
A lab study would be nice if someone wanted to foot the bill. I'm sure there are test kits available that can distinguish ammonia from ammonium so you could actually see that it has been transformed but I imagine those are expensive too.
 
A lab study would be nice if someone wanted to foot the bill. I'm sure there are test kits available that can distinguish ammonia from ammonium so you could actually see that it has been transformed but I imagine those are expensive too.


I recently did a non-lab study (my fishroom) with some angel fry. The chemical that converts ammonia to ammonium is sodium hydroxymethanesulfonate, a component in dechlorinators that neuteralize ammonia. After reading the corespondance rdd1952 received, that Ammo-Lock is effective for 48 hours I figured that same component that is in Prime might be effective for the same length of time.

I had a couple of 2.5 gallon tanks with two spawns of angels hatching out. I usually wait until they are freeswimming then add a cycled sponge filter, along with a large water change. This time I left the airstone in the two tanks, did the usual water change of 90%, with the usual double dose of Prime. I changed 90%+ of the water every 48 hours, and used tap water treated with a double dose of Prime. This went on for 10 days, until the fry were big enough to go into larger tanks. There was no excessive loss of fry, and from what I can see on fry that are just over 14 days old, no problems with fins and such.

I figured that without a cycled filter to convert the ammonium to nitrite, then nitrate, it would stay locked up as ammonium.
 

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