White edge to fins

[Glenn Atterton]

3 of them have a white deposit on the fins and the fish are having difficulty swimming.

I'm new to this game.

 

[WILDER]

First of we need to no tank size i n gallons, how many fish and which type, water stats in ammonia,nitrite,nitrate,and ph, is there tummy swollen can they maintain there balance in the water, are scales sticking out like a pinecone.

 

[WILDER]

If they are having difficulty swimming it sounds like swim bladder do they roll over to one side in the water, the fins sound like a second infection has set in.

 

[Glenn Atterton]

First of we need to no tank size i n gallons, how many fish and which type, water stats in ammonia,nitrite,nitrate,and ph, is there tummy swollen can they maintain there balance in the water, are scales sticking out like a pinecone.

If they are having difficulty swimming it sounds like swim bladder do they roll over to one side in the water, the fins sound like a second infection has set in.

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Tank is 80ltr (21 gallons) / water temp is 78f
aprrox 24 fish, neons, angel fish, razor tail, others not sure.
water stats nothing to measure them with. will sort tomorrow.
tummy not swollen
balance in water looks OK. able to stay right way up.
scales not sticking up.

just found 1 dead under oranament.

poorly fish in isolation tank now.

hope that helps

 

[tttnjfttt]

How long has your tank been set up for?

 

[WILDER]

You're overstocked for just over a 15gal tank, angel fish need 30gals i would do a immediate water change, and get your water tested quickly.

 

[Glenn Atterton]

How long has your tank been set up for?

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tank has been running for 2 years with approx 1/3rd water change every week

just gone from coldwater fish to tropical in same day.

 

[tttnjfttt]

If I'm reading this right, you just switched from a cold water tank to a tropical tank today? (or very recently?)

How did you clean the tank when switching from from cold to tropical? More specifically, how did you clean the filter?

 

[Glenn Atterton]

You're overstocked for just over a 15gal tank, angel fish need 30gals i would do a immediate water change, and get your water tested quickly.

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Angel fish are approx 2cm in size.

 

[Glenn Atterton]

If I'm reading this right, you just switched from a cold water tank to a tropical tank today? (or very recently?)

How did you clean the tank when switching from from cold to tropical? More specifically, how did you clean the filter?

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Correct

filter cleaned in warm tap water. it has carbon pellets in it as well as foam filters

 

[tttnjfttt]

Bingo. By cleaning the filter in tap water, you have killed all the beneficial bacteria that deal with the fish's waste. This means you are going to have to re-cycle your tank. Right now, you need to begin DAILY water changes of 25% to keep the ammonia level down. Possibly even do a few today (spaced out over the a few hours), to lower the ammonia and nitrite in your tank. You really need to buy a test kit, as knowing the ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate levels within your tnak are very important.

Looking at the picture of your fish, I would guess the white stuff is either fin rot or the beginning of comumnaris. Both of these are bacterial infections, and can be treated with the same meds. Some good meds are Kanacyn (Kanamyicin), tetracycline, or Maracyn AND maracyn 2. Also, LOWER the temperature in your tank, because if it is columnaris, they thrive in warm water, so lower the temp will slow down the disease.

Looking at the picture, it looks like there is some white dots (kinda like grains of salt). Is this just the picutre quality, or are they really there? If they are, you also have ich, and need to treat for that as well.

Looking at the fish you have, I would have to agree with Wilder, Angels NEED a bigger tank, becaus of how tall they eventually grow. It doesn't matter that they are small now. They will grow and need more room. You also need to figure out what other types of fish you have in there, as that can impact the medicine you use wihtin your tank. If you aren't sure, post some pix in the beginner section, and people will be able to identify them for you.

 

[Glenn Atterton]

1. By cleaning the filter in tap water, you have killed all the beneficial bacteria that deal with the fish's waste.  

2. Also, LOWER the temperature in your tank, because if it is columnaris, they thrive in warm water, so lower the temp will slow down the disease. 

3. Looking at the picture, it looks like there is some white dots (kinda like grains of salt).  Is this just the picutre quality, or are they really there?  If they are, you also have ich, and need to treat for that as well.

4. Angels NEED a bigger tank, becaus of how tall they eventually grow.  It doesn't matter that they are small now. They will grow and need more room. 

5. You also need to figure out what other types of fish you have in there, as that can impact the medicine you use wihtin your tank.  If you aren't sure, post some pix in the beginner section, and people will be able to identify them for you.

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Thanx folks,

1. what's best for doing the fliters?

2. would I be better of with under gravel filter rather than glass mounted one?

3. won't go lower than 68f without heater. It's @ room temp

4.does look like grains of salt

5.Prepared to sell/move Angel's on when they are to large for tank or even buy larger tank if all goes well

6. I'll ask my son about fish types as I'm sure he'll remember. If not I'll ask @ shop.

Tank is a Rena 50 litre (13.3 gallon) 60x32x30cm

once again thanx.

Glenn

 

[tttnjfttt]

For filters, honestly the best advice is to just leave them alone until they get really gunked up. I'm guessing you have a filter that hangs over the back, with carbon and a place for bacteria to grow inside. NEVER rinse out the bacterial spounge in tap water. If it gets VERY gunked up, shake it out in some old tank water, then put it back in. Some people have a under gravel filter, but it is generally agreed on that those are less effective adn more prone to loosing the beneficial bacteria that build in them. I think you are confusing your heater with your filter. The heater is that glass tube thingy.

With diseases, you are walking a double edge swoard. The columnaris thrives in warm temperature, and is very lethal, so the temperature is usually turned down to aroudn 72. Ich is only able to be killed in one of its four life stages, so generally people turn the temp up to speed it up. Right now, I would tell you to treat the columnaris first at a low temp (using ich meds at the same time) then once that is gone, slowly raise the temp (no more than 4 degreese F a day) to help you get rid of the ich.

you NEED to get a water test kit for your own home use. I can almost gaurentee you have bad water quality which is stressing out your fish. When fish get stressed, they get sick. Without removing the cause of the stress, the fish will have a very hard time fighting off what the illness.

When you get a test kit and the ammonia and/or nitrite are NOT zero, you need to begin partial daily water changes to try to keep those numbers under control.

 

[Glenn Atterton]

For filters, honestly the best advice is to just leave them alone until they get really gunked up. I'm guessing you have a filter that hangs over the back, with carbon and a place for bacteria to grow inside. NEVER rinse out the bacterial spounge in tap water. If it gets VERY gunked up, shake it out in some old tank water, then put it back in. Some people have a under gravel filter, but it is generally agreed on that those are less effective adn more prone to loosing the beneficial bacteria that build in them. I think you are confusing your heater with your filter. The heater is that glass tube thingy.

With diseases, you are walking a double edge swoard. The columnaris thrives in warm temperature, and is very lethal, so the temperature is usually turned down to aroudn 72. Ich is only able to be killed in one of its four life stages, so generally people turn the temp up to speed it up. Right now, I would tell you to treat the columnaris first at a low temp (using ich meds at the same time) then once that is gone, slowly raise the temp (no more than 4 degreese F a day) to help you get rid of the ich.

you NEED to get a water test kit for your own home use. I can almost gaurentee you have bad water quality which is stressing out your fish. When fish get stressed, they get sick. Without removing the cause of the stress, the fish will have a very hard time fighting off what the illness.

When you get a test kit and the ammonia and/or nitrite are NOT zero, you need to begin partial daily water changes to try to keep those numbers under control.

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Filters and Heaters

filter is internal and sits on glass side via rubber suckers. Has foam element and carbon pellets in it. Shop suggest removing carbon pellets and to fit only foam. Heater is the glass tube thingy as you say.

As for cleaning filters, from now on it's little and not often, in water that I remove from tank during water change as advised by the shop and yourself.

Water Test Kit
now have one after visit to shop and have had water tested there and as soon as I got home. See pics attached. Oh dear!!!
changed 3rd water yesterday and plan to do some more over the next few days to get water to quality needed. Also removed waste food that shop says gives ammonia. Shop advised no food for a day or 2 until they look as though they are looking for it.

Fish
of those infected, 2 died and 2 now OK and happily swimming about.

I have,
Angel fish
Scissor Tail
Neon’s
Rainbow Sharks
Molly's (assorted colours)

Also have to test tank ornaments to see if they are acidic using malt vinegar. If they sizzle when vinegar is applied then they are giving out some nasties into the water.

 

[tttnjfttt]

It sounds like you are getting things turned around. Out of curiousity, how bad was the ammonia and nitrite? Its hard to tell from the pictures, plus I have a different test kit, so I don't know what the different colors mean.

Sorry for the two little guys you lost.