What Is Unsafe For Nitrate?

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I am having some trouble finding what is a safe level for Nitrate. My Nitrate is at 50-60 now after adding a plant food called Ancient Amber made from leonardite three days ago. Before adding the plant food it was less than 5. I was told to add 100 ml once a week and I am wondering if I should cut back to half? Or is the nitrate reading of 50-60 safe for my fish? My test kit says that below 40 is safe. My ammonia and nitrite are still at 0 and my fish still seem healthy and active. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
40 is safe, so i would guess that a little higher wouldnt be too bad, I might be wrong though..
but if you are worried then you could do a small water change.
 
40 is safe, so i would guess that a little higher wouldnt be too bad, I might be wrong though..
but if you are worried then you could do a small water change.
Thanks, I will probably do that. I was just wondering because if it is okay then I will leave it since it is good for the plants.
 
50-60 ppm of nitrate may be getting close to stressing the fish out a little, but I would not worry about it too much.

-FHM
 
NitrAte levels are particularly harmful for fish, unless they get rediculously high. What is more important is to try and keep the levels relatively stable. For this reason I would do as above, dose less but more frequently rather than 1 great 'sploss' a week.
Instead of 100ml once a week I would be tempted to do 25ml every 2 days.
 
Nothing in this thread seems to pass along the usual lore that I've heard mentioned to beginners. Catpants, the wording of your original question implies a concern that nitrate(NO3) is like ammonia or nitrite but just has a higher ppm level at which things are ok, instead of zero.

From the discussions I've been in on TFF and older threads I've read here I don't think that's the way to think about nitrate. First of all, there have been some interesting findings discussed here in the past that nitrate levels as high as 400ppm or even 1000ppm have been found to not harm some species, the point being that nitrate is generally not toxic in the same sense as ammonia or nitrite. I believe the extent to which nitrate might be harmful, however, varies greatly by species.

As a testing tool, nitrate(NO3) level is often used to gauge the extent to which a tank is maintained. Say, for the moment, that we have no live plants. A tank receiving more frequent gravel cleanings and water changes might be found to maintain a nitrate level only 5 or 10ppm above whatever the source water level is. So if the tap water tested at 10ppm, then the tank might consistently measure at about 20ppm. If the tank has heavier waste producers and/or is somewhat less maintained, we might see it sustaining 20 or 30ppm above the source water level.

Traditionally, one use of nitrate tests has been to serve as a gauge of the maintenance level in this sense when maintenance habits are unknown or for the aquarist to monitor his/her own maintenance results when the habits -are- known.

Another function (well, a further aspect of the above function) of nitrate(NO3) tests, as I understand it, has been that they can serve as a "canary in the coal mine" sort of indicator. Its understandably easy for beginners, given all the complexity they are faced with, might feel that tank water is "just plain water" with 3 things to worry about, ammonia, nitrite(NO3) and nitrate(NO3). Unfortunately, nothing could be farther from the truth! Tank water has, probably, most of the elements of the periodic chart and hundreds of inorganic and organic compounds varying in it. Most of the things in tank water are just to complicated or expensive for us to test for. To some extent, our simple tests are like searching for the dropped object under the streetlamp. In the case of ammonia and nitrite, they warn of primary dangers, but for nitrate its really more of a case that this particular indicator chemical is cheap to test and we can do it. If we could afford to test other more complicated things and fully understood their importance, we might very well be doing that.

Also, I'll make a final comment that this all plays into the beauty of regular water changes. My rule of thumb with fertilizers is that things like NO3 due to those are not things to worry about, especially as long as reasonable water change frequency is maintained.

~~waterdrop~~
 
I fully agree waterdrop, and to add further it is well known by even the test manufacturers that nitrAte test are highly inaccurate. Apparently they can read other compounds in the water as well as the reagents in the test bottles can settle over time. API recommends vigorously shaking the #2 bottle for a minute if it's been a couple of weeks between usage.
 
Thank you waterdrop, you were very helpful here as always. I am doing lower dosages of my fertilizer more frequently as most have suggested and I will continue to do weekly cleaning and water changes. I figured that the level change was due to the fertilizer because as far as I can tell I am doing everything I can to have a healthy tank and it was the only thing that I have done different recently. Thanks again!
 
I fully agree waterdrop, and to add further it is well known by even the test manufacturers that nitrAte test are highly inaccurate. Apparently they can read other compounds in the water as well as the reagents in the test bottles can settle over time. API recommends vigorously shaking the #2 bottle for a minute if it's been a couple of weeks between usage.

Thank you, I will not worry about the Nitrate level now. Shaking that bottle does get annoying but I follow the directions carefully. :D
 
i highly doubt the fert will add 50ppm of NO3 :eek:
I am getting the impression that it is not something I should worry about too much, but what do you think might have caused the spike if not the fertilizer? My Nitrate was at 5 or below for weeks then jumped to 50-60 days after adding the fertilizer and that is the only thing that I had done differently.

NitrAte levels are particularly harmful for fish, unless they get rediculously high. What is more important is to try and keep the levels relatively stable. For this reason I would do as above, dose less but more frequently rather than 1 great 'sploss' a week.
Instead of 100ml once a week I would be tempted to do 25ml every 2 days.
Thank you for the good advice!
 
Your plants are probably using the fertilisers nutrients and therefore not needing to use as much nitrate. Thus leading to the slight build up you noticed.
 

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