Weird Red Bags Under Eyes?

[thrasherville]

Tank size: 30 gal
pH: 6.8
ammonia:
nitrite: <.5
nitrate: <20
kH: 40
gH: 75
tank temp: 82

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
Small bluegill (2 inches) has red "bags" under each eye. Started as a small sliver sized red mark on/under the left and has now developed under the right. He does not seem bothered by them, but they are getting worse.

Volume and Frequency of water changes: 10% weekly, 25% monthly

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:
Have TX'ed with Jungle brand Parisite Clear (Active Ingredients: diethyl (2,2,2-trichloro-1-hydroxyethyl) phosphonate, N[[(4-chlorophenyl) amino] carbonyl]-2, 6-diflourobenzamide, metronidazole, acriflavine.) and when that did not work, Fungus Clear (Active Ingredients: nitrofurazone, furazolidone, potassium dichromate.). Have seen no improvement.

Tank inhabitants: 3 bluegill, 2 silver dollars, 1 algea eater. No other fish have been effected.

 

[WILDER]

Your waters stats are bad.
How long has the tank been set up.
Immediate water change and increase aeration in the tank.

Never add meds till you know what you are treating for.
Any signs of flicking and rubbing.
Any pools of blood beneath the surface.
Fish will become ill in bad water quality.
Are the eyes bulging out.

 

[thrasherville]

Can you be more specific? The water is soft out of the tap. I need to raise the KH, but the GH, KH, and pH are all very stable numbers… It’s a constant battle to raise them and keep them up…

Have had this tank set up for over 8 years. Changed the water Sunday (as I do each week), have 2 penguin filters with biowheels and carbon filters, as well as healthy plants that grow like weeds…

No signs of flicking or rubbing. Absolutely no change in behavior or appearance other than the fleshy bags under this fish’s eyes. No blood, just pink in color. It’s not popeye…

 

[kribensis12]

Your tank is waayyy overstocked, and any amount of Nitrite is dangerous. It gets into the bloodstream and slowly suffocates the fish. Once its in there, and the fish has been expsoed for it a little to long,t he damage is done. No matter how clean your water is after that, they will die. Do a immeadiate 25 percent water change. If you have carbon in your filter, take it out, its taking your meds out of the water. I dont know how to properly diagnose the disease though, never seen it before.

 

[WILDER]

I would preform a water change.
Sort your stocking out, even phone lfs to see if they would take some fish back.
Add a bacterial med.
Until you sort your water quality out the fish will become ill and die as bad water quality takes its toll on fish.
When a fish is stressed it slime coat gets thinner and there immune system is weak.

 

[thrasherville]

What ranges am I looking for?
I am lowering the temp a bit, and I assume the pH is fine as it has been steady like that forever.
I can move the 2 silver dollars into my bigger tank, but the blue gill are all 2-2.5in and are too small for my other tank.

Can you suggest suitable ranges for KH, GH, etc?

 

[WILDER]

Ammonia and nitrite reading should be 0.
If ammonia and nitrite reading isn't 0 it can mean.
Over feeding.
Lack of maintance on tank.
Overstocked that the filter can't cope with the load of fish in the tank.

Don't know anything about kh and gh. Ssk in tropical discussion plenty of members willing to help you out over there.

 

[thrasherville]

Well wait a minute... My amonia reading is 0 and my nitrite is the lowest level that my test kit measures <.5...
GH is general hardness of the water and KH is alkalinity buffer... I'm not sure if you're sure that the water is the problem.

I was just wondering if anyone had seen this issue before as far as the eyes go... maybe he has hayfever?

 

[WILDER]

If your reading for ammonia or nitrite 0 then don't put 5 as it looks like you have a reading.
I would issolate the fish and use a bacterial med.