Water Quality Ph-query

philandsue1

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I have had my tank for around 2 weeks. As it was a second hand tank the Nitrites and Ammonia have remained at 0 since I brought it home and the Nitrates have remained between 5 and 10. However, my PH, which I find difficult to match the colour excatly on the chart, seems quite high at around 8 to 8.5. I use tap water in a hard water area, Reading, Berkshire, UK. I also use the de-chlorinator oir whatever the proper name is. My 2 questions are 1)will the high PH have an adverse effect on my fish. I have a kitchen tap that has a seperate output for filtered water that passes the water through some sort of undersink filter. 2)Would this filtered water be better to use than the normal tap water.

Thanks,
Phil
 
Hi, have you read the section about fishless cycling http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=113861 and adding Ammonia to start the cycle its the best was to start the tank for the fish's health, I am no expert but there is loads of good information to go through on here.

I have a new new tank which is going through a fishless cycle and I have picked up 50x more info about how to start a new tank here compared to my local fish stores "LFS" and from books, I'm not dissing the LFS but they sell fish and accessories whereas the experts on here Live fish and accs.

Paul.
 
Phil,

Your pH and other water quality questions are just a big enough set of topics that I know I won't be able to do them justice at this time, so I'll just make a small start, hopefully giving some big picture info that might help with later discussion. (Paul, I'm pretty sure Phil is well-cycled from his previous thread re it being an established tank with good stats that was acquired. But good to check on that as if it was a problem, all else would be less important!)

When it comes to the long-term pH of your tank, probably the most comfortable approach you can take is: "Your water is your water!" The water that comes out of your tap does indeed set the "complexion" of the type of freshwater tropical aquarium that will be easier to achieve, without going to great lengths and trouble. The first and most important rule for beginners to start learning is that stability of pH is more important than the actual pH. Fish that are able to stay in a relatively stable pH, only ever seeing slow changes will generally be better off. (Note that the underlying hardness of the water is intertwined with pH and is important to the osmotic systems of fish, but we'll ignore this for the moment in the interest of simplicity.) So... attempting to work against the tap water you've "been given" is considered by experienced aquarists to be "not something one undertakes lightly" and generally "not advised for beginners if it can be helped!"

When you "look up" writeups on individual species of fish, you will see a pH range listed for them. This serves as a starting point for learning about this aspect of what they like, but again, experienced fishkeepers will often obtain a more complex feel eventually about this for a given species. There are some species out there for whom its very important and others where it makes hardly a difference. Its also important to understand, as a beginner, that these pH numbers listed are often for wild-caught preferences and the fish we obtain in western society are often farm raised and quite used to whatever the local pH is in the LFS by the time we get them, so at first, its best to take the approach of not getting overly worried about this aspect of their environment. All this is just to say to take your time and work this out on a species by species basis with the members, if it seems it might be an issue. The fish I've seen you list so far are quite common and don't set off any alarms in this regard.

So back to the 8.0 to 8.5 you mentioned. This is actually fairly good in a number of ways, though you are correct that its on the higher side of the range. For one thing its the ideal growing pH for your nitrifying bacteria, which should always be a help in not having mini-spikes in ammonia and nitrite when you add fish and your filter is adjusting to the new higher fish load. For another, you may have a somewhat better environment for a wider range of live plants, which will be good. One thing you can think about that will be good would be the addition of significant amounts of bogwood decoration to the tank. This will tend to bring the pH downward a bit and is certainly a popular form of decoration.

You don't want to resort to any sorts of "pH adjust" chemicals, as these tend to make matters worse in the long run. And I doubt you'll want to fool around with filtered, bottled, distilled, "RO" or anything else that is not just tap water that's been treated with conditioner. All these can be discussed with the members, but they have real effects and should not be done by a beginner just thinking they are somehow good or are a solution to something.

~~waterdrop~~
 
We have similar water concerns - high ph (8.2+) and very hard - and I was worried about the effects on our fish as well. The easiest way to ease your mind is to ask the folks at the store about the ph reading in their tanks. If you forget (like I have been known to do) test the water in the little baggie your fish come in. The ph readings on the water from the LPS is often almost identical to my tap water readings, which makes sense if we're all using the same water system.
 
Just a note though, the pH of the bag water will drop in transit from it natural pH, due to a build-up of CO2 in the water from the fish breathing. IMO and IME, pH is a minor concern, the KH and GH readings are of more importance :good:
 

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